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TOPIC: What Brings You Here?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/44a43968bab050ad?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 12:27 am
From: Martin

On Feb 9, 1:47 am, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:

> I come here for the love beans that flow between martin and really
> real at the moment

I would like to have this remark stricken from the record

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 12:44 am
From: Babs

On Feb 9, 3:27 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 1:47 am, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
> > I come here for the love beans that flow between martin and really
> > real at the moment
>
> I would like to have this remark stricken from the record

It is rather icky, isn't it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 3:31 am
From: Jumbo

On Feb 9, 5:00 am, Babs <bambiemo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:47 pm, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 11:11 pm, Red Strange <ziglveidtbshto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, Red Strange <ziglveidtbshto...@hotmail.com> wrote:> On Jan 31, 4:55 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> What attracts you to RMD?
> > > > > What attracts you to RMD?
> > > > Kurt Straub.
>
> > > Oh yeah, and Rachel.
>
> > I come here for the love beans that flow between martin and really
> > real at the moment.
>
> Better to eat love beans than those hideous looking potato
> sandwiches. ;-)

Potato sandwiches????

All right, I admit they're not much to look at. But with loads of
salt, vinegar and tomato ketchup, plus glass of wine (white, sorry
pilgrim) and Nico's Janitor of Lunacy playing ... they're divine.

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TOPIC: Super Tuesday
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/3be8115100689965?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 12:28 am
From: Martin

On Feb 8, 11:08 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Well, Martin asked an honest question and I agree, I've bottled up some
> resentment from Martin's continual one word/ one sentence sniping

Chill out, dude

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 3:36 am
From: Jumbo

On Feb 9, 1:38 am, The Hysterical Bride <rache...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:35 pm, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 8:09 pm, Pilgrim <mcisr...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 2:45 pm, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 8, 6:59 pm, Treadleson <treadl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I wouldn't take this too seriously, Jumbo.
>
> > > > Oh I don't. Especially as I've just had a glass of wine and a chip
> > > > butty and Into the Mystic is on.
>
> > > I had to look up chip butty.
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_butty
>
> > > I'm worried about you, Jumbo.
>
> > I hate LOL cos I never laugh out loud at posts, but this one really
> > made me TTM.
>
> I looked up TTM. Can't seem to find it. What's it stand for?

Titter to myself.

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TOPIC: Guity pleasures
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/f699dcbf5ddf92c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 1:20 am
From: Martin

On Feb 8, 11:51 pm, Babs <bambiemo...@aol.com> wrote:

> Don't worry, Paul. I love Self Portrait

I don't think Self Portrait is one of Dylan's most despised records
anymore. It's regarded more as a great flawed album as far as I can
see, rather than a crappy album. People often say they avoided it
because of it's reputation, and are pleasantly surprised when they
finally hear it. A couple of people I know even rank it as his best
(although, to be fair, these aren't Dylan fans)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 3:27 am
From: Jumbo

On Feb 9, 9:20 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:51 pm, Babs <bambiemo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't worry, Paul. I love Self Portrait
>
> I don't think Self Portrait is one of Dylan's most despised records
> anymore. It's regarded more as a great flawed album as far as I can
> see, rather than a crappy album. People often say they avoided it
> because of it's reputation, and are pleasantly surprised when they
> finally hear it. A couple of people I know even rank it as his best
> (although, to be fair, these aren't Dylan fans)

And re: the idea that he "deliberately" made it bad ... I bought Neil
Young's Decade last week (£6 from Tesco!) and noticed in the liner
notes that the arrangement on Man Needs a Maid was "one of Dylan's
favourites" ... So he really likes that orchestral stuff.

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TOPIC: Can't we please...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/a0fc9f7483301047?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 1:33 am
From: Martin

On Feb 9, 1:51 am, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:

> But we all love each other really. And the nasty bickering is our way
> of showing it

Even more than a chip butty?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 3:23 am
From: Jumbo

On Feb 9, 9:33 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 1:51 am, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
> > But we all love each other really.
>
> Even more than a chip butty?

Well...

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TOPIC: The Who's crafty use of vowels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/43bf0207c6a0d49e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 3:50 am
From: "Paul Lower"

I admit that my last post was over the top. I was enjoying myself so much
that I just got carried away.
Of course PR has every right to post whatever he likes on a public newsgroup
and I have got better things to do than argue with a self-opinionated twerp
like him.
Paul
"really real" <reallyreal@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:wxarj.9002$FA.6268@pd7urf2no...
>
>> You are not smarter than me, you are an anti Dylan Dick Head and I will
>> drive you off this newsgroup if it is the last thing I do.
>
> Now now, Paul. There is no need to get vitriolic. Poisoned rose just
> happens to like flame wars. It's a personality disorder that he has that
> you have to just work around.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:51 am
From: Babs

On Feb 9, 6:50 am, "Paul Lower" <paul-judy.lo...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I admit that my last post was over the top. I was enjoying myself so much
> that I just got carried away.
> Of course PR has every right to post whatever he likes on a public newsgroup
> and I have got better things to do than argue with a self-opinionated twerp
> like him.

"Twerp" is such a comical word to me. Funnily enough, last night I was
reading Kurt Vonnegut's "A Man Without A Country." According to
Vonnegut's definition, I am a twerp:

"And I consider anybody a twerp who hasn't read the greatest American
short story, which is "Occurrence at Owl Bridge", by Ambrose Bierce.
It is a flawless example of American genius, like "Sophisticated Lady"
by Duke Ellington or the Franklin stove..."

I need to find a copy of this short story asap.

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TOPIC: Abandoned Love
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/c0b8a519dd0f1023?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 6:14 am
From: really real

> This is one of the great live performances and perhaps the interaction with
> the audience is the only post '60s performance to get that kind of response,
> reminiscent of both the debut of "Desolation Row" at Forest Hills and the
> Philharmonic Hall show. And it is way better in every way than the studio
> version from the Desire sessions that appeared on Biograph.

When I saw Dylan and the Band in '66 in Vancouver, I remember the
audience laughing at the line from Fourth Time Around about spitting out
your gum. At least the audience in the front laughed. I was at the back
and didn't get it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 8:57 am
From: P Callas

On Feb 8, 11:14 pm, "Peter Stone Brown" <ps...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:Sr7rj.8524$FA.2911@pd7urf2no...
>
>
>
> >> Does it? Then I'm thinking of a different verse. Anyhoo, a
> >> distinctly poor (I'm being charitable) performance on just about every
> >> level except for remembering all those lyrics. If you see it
> >> otherwise, then soldier on good fella.
>
> > I think the Bitter End Abandoned Love is phenomenal. The way he gets the
> > laughter out of the audience, the insensitivity of the performance, it's
> > one of the all time greatest Dylan field recordings.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by insensitivity, but otherwise I agree with you.
> This is one of the great live performances and perhaps the interaction with
> the audience is the only post '60s performance to get that kind of response,
> reminiscent of both the debut of "Desolation Row" at Forest Hills and the
> Philharmoic Hall show. And it is way better in every way than the studio
> version from the Desire sessions that appeared on Biograph.

For great live one-off performances, my very short list of all time
favorites is Abandoned Love, Caribbean Wind, and A Satisfied Mind (I
think only done 9 Nov 1999?).

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TOPIC: request
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/f21fe4bba2e12fa2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 6:28 am
From: tygryskacz2@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Odetta lookin For a Home
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/144c2c9da423c219?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 7:03 am
From: really real

Odetta looks frail and old these days, but this new album, Odetta Lookin
for A Home proves she is still in fine voice. The album consists of
Odetta doing Leadbelly songs, and the arrangements are jazzy and very
good. Who'd have guessed that Odetta could still be making fine albums?

Amazon is selling the cd for $10 or the sonically impaired mp3 donwloads
for three Pepsi points.

Here's a review someone wrote on Amazong

Odetta has created a fantastic album of songs by the famous Leadbelly.
Pete Seeger is quoted on the back stating that he first heard Odetta
sing a song by C.W. Leadbetter and he has waited 50 years for her to do
an album of his songs. He is thrilled with this album and so am I.
Odetta has improved with age. Her voice is brilliant in delivering her
unique renditions of these songs. She has lost none of her vocal
strength; on the contrary, I prefer her recent works over her Vanguard
albums. She has a back-up band and like her previous release on MC
Records, "Blues Everywhere I Go", there is a feeling of intimacy as if
one is there in person hearing this great artist. I recommend this album
without a bit of hesitation. I have asked independently run CD shops to
carry this album and "Blues Everywhere I Go". Odetta is truly an
American Treasure and I hope there will be more albums of this caliber
from her. She is better than she has ever been and that is quite a feat
for an artist who is, and always has been, brilliant. This is an album
to really sit and listen to and it leaves the listener wanting more.
"Looking For A Home" is a true work of art due to the genius of Odetta.
This is a must have for anyone who loves folk/blues music. Thank You,
Thank You, Odetta!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:39 am
From: Babs

On Feb 9, 10:03 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Odetta looks frail and old these days, but this new album, Odetta Lookin
> for A Home proves she is still in fine voice. The album consists of
> Odetta doing Leadbelly songs, and the arrangements are jazzy and very
> good. Who'd have guessed that Odetta could still be making fine albums?
>
> Amazon is selling the cd for $10 or the sonically impaired mp3 donwloads
> for three Pepsi points.
>
> Here's a review someone wrote on Amazong
>
> Odetta has created a fantastic album of songs by the famous Leadbelly.
> Pete Seeger is quoted on the back stating that he first heard Odetta
> sing a song by C.W. Leadbetter and he has waited 50 years for her to do
> an album of his songs. He is thrilled with this album and so am I.
> Odetta has improved with age. Her voice is brilliant in delivering her
> unique renditions of these songs. She has lost none of her vocal
> strength; on the contrary, I prefer her recent works over her Vanguard
> albums. She has a back-up band and like her previous release on MC
> Records, "Blues Everywhere I Go", there is a feeling of intimacy as if
> one is there in person hearing this great artist. I recommend this album
> without a bit of hesitation. I have asked independently run CD shops to
> carry this album and "Blues Everywhere I Go". Odetta is truly an
> American Treasure and I hope there will be more albums of this caliber
> from her. She is better than she has ever been and that is quite a feat
> for an artist who is, and always has been, brilliant. This is an album
> to really sit and listen to and it leaves the listener wanting more.
> "Looking For A Home" is a true work of art due to the genius of Odetta.
> This is a must have for anyone who loves folk/blues music. Thank You,
> Thank You, Odetta!!!

There's no mystery to why Dylan was inspired by Odetta. You've
convinced me that "Lookin' For A Home" is worth investigating. I
recently found a download for an interview of Odetta around the
release time for "Blues Everywhere I Go". I'll post it here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/9912670/OdNPR130200.rar

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TOPIC: Evan Marshall's written statement concerning "Troubled And I Don't Why"
in the February 2008 edition of RECORD COLLECTOR
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/browse_thread/thread/c4003a99c17a7bfa?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 9:31 am
From: "PGPearson1954@aol.com"

Evan Marshall authored an article - DYLAN RARITIES Part One: The 60s
- for the Feb 08 issue of RECORD COLLECTOR (UK).

On page 26, Marshall writes about the '63 Dylan/Baez duet "Troubled
And I Don't Know Why", "Fairly disposable stuff, but highly likeable,
and they would still be performing duets on this number a decade
later, during the Rolling Thunder Revue tour."

WHAT???????????

As far as I know, Dylan/Baez coupled on this song several times during
the '60s. The only versions I've ever heard was the '63 Forest Hills
duet and a Baez solo from a PBS concert from Scotland several decades
ago.

I don't remember Dylan-Baez doing this song during RTR.

Anybody?

Paul Pearson

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 9:39 am
From: "PGPearson1954@aol.com"

On Feb 9, 12:31�pm, "PGPearson1...@aol.com" > the '60s. �

>The only versions I've ever heard was the '63 Forest Hills
> duet and a Baez solo from a PBS concert from Scotland several decades
> ago.
>

The only versions I've ever heard WERE....

Gotta fire my typist.

Paul Pearson

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:25 am
From: Perfesser_dudley

Dear Prime Minister Pearson,

How are you on this fine postXLII day?

On Feb 9, 12:39 pm, "PGPearson1...@aol.com" <PGPearson1...@aol.com>
wrote:
> On Feb 9, 12:31�pm, "PGPearson1...@aol.com" > the '60s. �
>
> >The only versions I've ever heard was the '63 Forest Hills
> > duet and a Baez solo from a PBS concert from Scotland several decades
> > ago.
>
> The only versions I've ever heard WERE....
>
> Gotta fire my typist.
>
> Paul Pearson

1st, the duet version you've heard is probably the one available on
Joan's "Rare, Live & Classic", Disc One from 17feb63. Of which she
writes in the booklet:

}
The first time we sang this song was at Gerde's Folk City. I don't
remember if it was Bob's set or mine, but we ended up on stage
together and he said, "Let's sing 'Troubled and I Don't Know Why'." I
never heard it before! But it was one of those ditties that you just
do. He would sing the verses and then I would come in on the chorus.
By the time this version was recorded, I was well acquainted with it.
{

She does not mention RTR, nor the derivation of the song, nor my
alternate additional lyrics.

That said, anyone who can identify correctly the source material for
"TaIDKY" is awarded 1500 bonus points (US, Canadian or Euro).

That furthur said, as to firing yr typist, it's really yr grammarian
needs the boot. In any event, be careful: Is (s)he Documented? Have
you been withholding the appropriate taxes? ElseWise, there's a
lawsuit waiting to happen...

Take a tip from one who's tried.

Ever,
dudley

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:30 am
From: "Peter Stone Brown"

<PGPearson1954@aol.com> wrote in message
news:eebba658-2788-4237-bd07-f37f74a4a262@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
> Evan Marshall authored an article - DYLAN RARITIES Part One: The 60s
> - for the Feb 08 issue of RECORD COLLECTOR (UK).
>
> On page 26, Marshall writes about the '63 Dylan/Baez duet "Troubled
> And I Don't Know Why", "Fairly disposable stuff, but highly likeable,
> and they would still be performing duets on this number a decade
> later, during the Rolling Thunder Revue tour."
>
> WHAT???????????
>
> As far as I know, Dylan/Baez coupled on this song several times during
> the '60s. The only versions I've ever heard was the '63 Forest Hills
> duet and a Baez solo from a PBS concert from Scotland several decades
> ago.
>
> I don't remember Dylan-Baez doing this song during RTR.
>
> Anybody?
>

Did not happen.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:54 am
From: Jumbo

On Feb 9, 5:31 pm, "PGPearson1...@aol.com" <PGPearson1...@aol.com>
wrote:
> Evan Marshall authored an article - DYLAN RARITIES Part One: The 60s
> - for the Feb 08 issue of RECORD COLLECTOR (UK).
>
> On page 26, Marshall writes about the '63 Dylan/Baez duet "Troubled
> And I Don't Know Why", "Fairly disposable stuff, but highly likeable,
> and they would still be performing duets on this number a decade
> later, during the Rolling Thunder Revue tour."
>
> WHAT???????????

Yes, sloppy journalism - cos also, the way it's written it sounds like
they'd been doing it off and on throughout the intervening years as
well!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 10:07 am
From: Perfesser_dudley

On Feb 8, 11:21 am, Perfesser_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 1:32 pm, "Mike Hanlon" <mike.han...@hp.com> wrote:
>
> > "Perfesser_dudley" <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote in message
>
> > >using the lyrics bob did at the Dr. King tribute back in '86.
>
> > I listened to that (Bob's not yours) last MLK day and really wish I could
> > discern the lyrics. I wonder if you'd mind sharing?
>
> Alternate lyrics
> From the Martin Luther King Jr. Tribute, Washington, DC January 20,
> 1986
>
> They say every man needs protection
> They say that every man must fall
> I swear I see my own reflection
> Somewhere so high above this wall
>
> I see my light come shinin'
> I don't need no doctor or no priest
> Any day now
> I shall be released
>
> It don't take much to be a criminal
> One wrong move and they'll turn you into one
> At first decay is just subliminal
> To protect yourself and your forever on the run
>
> I see my light come shinin'
> I don't need no doctor or no priest
> Any day now
> I shall be released
>
> He will find you where your stayin'
> Even in the arms of somebody elses wife
> Your laughin' now, you should be prayin'
> To be in the midnight hour of your life
>
> I see my light come shinin'
> I don't need no doctor or no priest
> Any day now
> I shall be released

Loathe as i am to selfReplying, i've actually looked at those lyrics
now & that's not always how i hear 'em. Here's mine, discrepancies
bracketed:

}
It don't take much to be a criminal
One wrong move and they'll turn you into one
At first the pain [some hear "decay"] is just subliminal
You [To] protect yourself and you're forever on the run

I see my light come shinin'
I don't need no doctor or no priest
Any day now
I shall be released

He will find you where your stayin'
Even in the arms of somebody elses wife
Your laughin' now, you should be prayin'
It being [To be in] the midnight hour of your life

I see my light come shinin'
I don't need no doctor or no priest
Any day now
I shall be released
{

dudley

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TOPIC: why am i lisning to amy winehouse while watching silent rugby at 6 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 11:05 am
From: "Hognoxious"

<sirblob2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b89fad31-6d38-4666-b86d-b9a8e156a41b@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> any suggestions?
>
> what would baudelaire say?

Let me out of this box?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 11:09 am
From: Babs

On Feb 8, 4:56 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> that I was visiting a small Belgian town where the town mascot - a
> little old man who is always drunk - is represented by an ornate doll,
> made from wood and cloth, and can be seen sitting above bars and in
> people's living rooms. He has a black moustache, a blue cloth hat and
> kind of a menacing grin, and he slumps where he's sitting from over
> indulgence. It was late, and the cobbled streets were echoey and
> deserted. I turned a corner and saw him walking towards me, a little
> unsteady on his feet, but making quite a pace. I walked quickly
> towards a bar I knew, but they were closing up and wouldn't let me
> in. Then I saw some people I recognised, but they had to get someone
> home who was unwell and couldn't stop. I sat down on a bench and
> tried to relax. Then a car pulled up. Just before the dream ended,
> the doll appeared around a corner, with a knife in his hand. I made
> an attempt to get up, and climb into the car, but was awake before I
> could find out what happened. Does anybody here know?

Yes. You jumped into the car and yelled from the window, as you sped
away, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall." When you got home, you
threw up in the garden.

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