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THEMA: Unfree in Europe
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== 1 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 19:07
Von: "klunk"

"Anarchore" <e@t.me> wrote in message
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> It is plain to see that those labelled as 'Nazis' by state and media
> are in fact those who are fighting for liberty and their very survival.
>
> To brainwashed sheeple, under the yoke of Jewish media thought control,
> the nationalist(ultra-nationalist in media parlance) is the epitome of
> xenophobic evil.

Definitions of xenophobia on the Web:

"Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of that which is foreign or unknown,
especially of strangers or foreign people."

"a fear or dislike of people from other cultures and countries. The opposite
of an acceptance of difference and learning from other people's cultures,
beliefs and wisdom traditions."

"Fear of or distaste for people, ideas, or customs thought to be strange or
foreign."

.... ya.... you're not at all the xenophobe you accuse others of being....
it's perfectly natural to hold an irrationally obsessive hatred of an entire
culture you believe responsible for all the world's ills... ROTFLMAO...

> In fact they are noble, the Zionist Jew and the leftist do-gooder are
> scum of the earth. Who the hell are the fascists? I used to be one of
> those people who thought that nationalism was bad, ever since it was
> drilled into our heads in school, but now I see that it is the only
> hope for freedom in the mass conditioned new world order of slavery and
> total state control, with Zionists controlling the thoughts of the
> 'nation'.
>
> Those who are fighting this, I don't care if you wave the hammer and
> sickle or the swastika, you are in the right. The globalists,
> "anti-racists" and "anti-fascists" are the real Nazis, the real
> fascists.
>
>
> http://thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp-TheWayItIsInFinland&Sweden-JohnDeN
> ugent&B2B.htm
>
> UNFREE IN EUROPE,
> STILL FREE IN AMERICA
>
> by Henrik Holappa,
> 23-year-old Finnish comrade, and former soldier, seriously persecuted
> in my homeland for being pro-white as Africans and Turks pour into my
> Scandinavian nation. I am facing up to 4.5 years in prison if indicted
> for political incorrectness. I am
> now visiting John de Nugent and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in
> America
>
>
>
> CONTENTS:
>
> I. Salem Demonstration (Sweden)
> II. National Day March (Folkets Marsch, Sweden)
> III. Keystone State Skinheads picnic, Harrisburg, United States
>
> INTRODUCTION
>
> Freedom. We all want freedom. We want freedom of speech. We might even
> want freedom to own guns. We want to be free men and women. Is there
> that sort of freedom anywhere? I wasn't sure about that. Europe is not
> free, not at all. In what follows, I will tell you both how Europe is
> not free and where you can feel real freedom.
>
> My good friend, American white civil rights activist and the US
> presidential candidate, John de Nugent from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
> answered my question about where freedom can be found.
>
> I remember our phone conversation where I asked him "John, is there any
> freedom anywhere for white people to be white and to stay white?" He
> answered me "Henrik, there is freedom. We still have a lot of freedom
> in America. We still have the Constitution that gives us freedom of
> speech and the freedom to own guns." I was totally astonished. I was
> told in school that "democratic" Europe was free, especially after the
> Berlin Wall fell, but as I have experienced it, and as many others have
> experienced it as well, I say that Europe is not free at all. Not like
> America.
>
> I was planning to go to Sweden. John told me: "Henrik, I invite you to
> come here instead and to see the almost total freedom here in America."
> I considered John's kind and friendly invitation and decided to come
> and see what freedom is, in the last bastion in the white world.
>
> Photobucket
> Henrik Holappa and John de Nugent, July 08, Sarver, Pa., N of Pittsburgh
>
> I. Salem, Sweden (part of Stockholm County, pop. 14,000, near the
> capital of Sweden), December 8, 2007
>
> Daniel Wretström, a Swedish martyr, was killed in December 2000 with
> extreme brutality by 15 violent immigrants (including one Finn) while
> he was on his way home.
>
> Photobucket
> Slogan: "Protest Against Violence." The Left constantly violently
> assaults white civil rights activists, protected by a white-hating
> government and media.
>
> A group of Turks decided to give this native Swede "a lesson" in his
> own country about Turk power -- a lesson that the traitor Swedish
> government supported and backed by the government slogan "Krossa dem!"
> (Swedish and English are related languages; this means "Crush them!"
> This means the government to whom white nationists also must pay taxes
> vows to crush them. And who said this? The prime minister of Sweden
> himself, Goeran Persson [1996-2006]. Imagine George Bush as president
> openly saying "We shall crush the pro-white citizens"! That is not yet
> thinkable in America, to openly target one segment of society with such
> violence-inciting speech.)
>
> Photobucket
> The biggest newspaper in Sweden, Expressen carried the prime minister's
> threat: "Vi ska krossa dem!" ["We shall crush them!"]. Although a
> socialist, Persson calls himself a devout Christian.
>
> Photobucket
> On the right, the porky Goeran Persson, prime minister of Occupied
> Sweden, next to a "new Swede," Kojo Frans, who is "as of January 1,
> 2008 the Chief Executive Officer and President of Next Generation
> Broadcasting (NGB), the newly created Swedish media and communications
> group. He is also an alternate Member of Parliament for the City of
> Stockholm, having been elected to the Swedish parliament in 2002 as the
> first African man to be elected to the Swedish Parliament. He served on
> the European Affairs advisory Committee and the Justice Affairs
> Committee."
>
> Photobucket
> The "Neo-Swede" Kojo Frans in his native garb from Ghana with the
> subservient director of the Royal Swedish Mint, who seems overjoyed.
>
> Here is what happened: Daniel Wretstroem, 17 years old and active in a
> white-power music band, was killed when he was stomped in his own
> neighborhood by 14 immigrants, and one, Khaled Ohed, an immigrant from
> Turkey, slit his throat.
>
> Photobucket
>
> Since December 2000 Swedish nationists have been organizing marches to
> remember the life and death of this young martyr for our race. Every
> year the marches gather more and more white nationists from all over
> the Europe, and even an American from Texas, Preston Wigginton, but
> also attracts attention from the media, police and extreme leftists.
> Because the marches are considered to be "racist" and "Nazi," the
> police in Sweden are told to be very strict when it comes to the march.
>
> Photobucket
>
> The march must be reported to the police. Any white group must announce
> it to them, who then tell the hostile media, who then alert the hostile
> leftists.
>
> White groups must give accurate numbers of how many people the
> organizers are expecting to come. Otherwise the march could be
> considered to be an "illegal gathering." In fact, any gathering at all
> of five or more persons, even in a park for a picnic, must get police
> permission, yes, even for a barbecue or picnic.
>
> If there are minorities near the park, the police may forbid it, saying
> we whites would provoke them, or they say you can have a picnic but no
> flags, no uniforms, no identifying symbols, no salutes and no speeches.
> The police then stand there and photograph you and your ID card. Police
> helicopters thunder overhead. Yes, at a picnic. You, the white
> taxpayer, pay heavy taxes to be harassed. The police may permit your
> gathering, but they try to ensure that you do not enjoy yourself -- and
> that you will think twice before doing it again.
>
> Photobucket
> Thinking about the loss of freedom in my beautiful white homeland, and
> why I am here, for YOUR freedom.
>
> Photobucket
> "Elovena" is the name of a beloved brand of hot breakfast oatmeal
> porridge. It is a kind of "institution" that we Finns, like Scots, use
> to start the day. And we like to see this pretty girl. She is not
> supposed to be Miss Finland, but a wholesome girl who embodies our
> qualities.
>
> Photobucket
> The "Elovena" box as it has looked for many years. It has not changed
> much since 1925.
>
> Each year a different wholesome Finnish girl is also chosen for TV,
> newspaper and billboard ads - always a classic young Finnish girl who
> embodies the look and spirit of Finnish womanhood.
>
> But now, for this beloved brand, the Jews have chosen a new "Elovena"
> for 98% white, Scandinavian Finland.
>
> This Jew media baron, Aatos Erkko, owns all the major media and is the
> richest man in my country.
>
> Photobucket
>
>
>
> Photobucket
> As this Negress with "attitude" glowers, the text in Finnish says, in a
> harsh imperative use of the verb, implying a military command: "ACCEPT
> ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW." Had the Finnish sentence started with Hyväksy,
> it would have been a polite suggestion, i.e., "Why not be open to a new
> viewpoint?" Omaksu, however, has the peremptory tone in the Finnish
> language of "Get used to it!," "Deal with it!" or "Face it!" -- like an
> impatient mechanic bluntly making clear to you that you should not
> spend another penny on your car. It is also the verb form of a military
> officer (I was in the Finnish army for three years) telling you to hold
> your position at all costs even when it is being overrun.
>
> Photobucket
> Towering, threatening billboard in Helsinki, Finland's capital: The
> angry black female scolds: "SEE ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE."
>
> The government of Sweden and the Supreme Court in Stockholm have been
> trying to find ways to forbid this march. They are even saying that the
> Salem section of Stockholm County is becoming a center of "neo-Nazis."
> There is heavy police surveillance during and after the march. In every
> train station and subway station there are special trained policemen
> with their dogs.
>
> Everyone who is going to the demonstration is checked by the police:
> The "security check" means you have to show your ID, and in some cases
> the police take photographs of persons that are taking part of the
> demonstration.
>
> For example during the annual Rudolf Hess march in Wunsiedel, Germany,
> young comrades had to take their t-shirts and shirts off to show if
> they have forbidden symbols, so called "hate symbols," tattooed UNDER
> THEIR SHIRTS on their bodies.
>
> Photobucket
> Rudolf Hess flew from Germany to England in 1941 to prevent further
> bloodshed in WWII. He was confined to prison for 46 years, often to
> solitary -- from 1941 to 1987 -- when he was strangled by order of
> Margaret Thatcher so the Soviets under Gorbachev would not release him
> from Spandau prison in Berlin.
>
> To create a more warlike ambiance, the police have usually one or two
> helicopters flying around and observing the demonstration. There are
> even some arrests: the violent extreme leftists, egged on by the media,
> attack the nationists and when they defend themselves and their
> comrades, it is they who get arrested. That is "freedom" in Sweden, in
> the heart of Scandinavia.
>
> II. Folkets Marsch ["Folk's March"], Stockholm, Sweden, June 6, 2008
>
> During the Swedish National Day demonstration, when the white activists
> did their Folk's march (Folkets Marsch), the Swedish police showed a
> brutal interpretation of "freedom." The march was held in downtown
> Stockholm. The march also gathered a few dozen anti-racist activists
> including the usual always-violent, vicious extreme leftists who always
> start the violence that they claim they oppose. They began by throwing
> bottles, rocks and other objects. The organizers of the march, such as
> the leader of the Swedish Resistance Movement (http://www.patriot.nu)
> Klas Lund, whom the controlled Swedish media has declared "Sweden's
> most dangerous neo-Nazi" because of his political opinions, know these
> aggressive tactics by the police and extreme leftists very well.
>
> I had the chance to meet Klas Lund and talk with him. All I saw was a
> kind man, full of love for his nation and race. Let us not forget that
> Europe has neither freedom of speech nor the right to own weapons. Thus
> Klas Lund spent four months in prison because he had a pistol at his
> home!
>
> Photobucket
> Klas Lund. In Occupied Europe, only the state, controlled by Jews, has
> firearms. No European country has a "Second Amendment" guaranteeing
> that all citizens have the right to keep and bear arms. Nor does any
> European country have a "First Amendment' guaranteeing even free speech
> that "might tend to offend" a protected minority or "incite anger
> toward a minority." This includes ethnic groups that gang-rape Finnish
> girls.
>
> The Swedish Resistance Movement's activists faced horrible harassment
> by the police when they were still in the subway system under the city
> of Stockholm. The white activists had already been attacked by the
> extreme leftists -- but the police would not arrested the communists,.
> Instead, they used all their harsh power against the Resistance
> Movement's activists, their tear gas and police batons.
>
> The next step for the police was to try to stop the activists from
> getting to the meeting place for the march to begin. That was too much.
> The Resistance Movement's activists simply marched right into the
> police lines and through them, then began their march. -- Legally the
> police had no right to stop the march. It was legal; it had been
> reported by the organizers to the police several days before, so the
> march was totally authorized. Still the police tried to stop it after
> activists had traveled from all over Sweden, which is a large country.
> It makes a big difference when you have a prime minister openly vowing
> to the media and his police: "Vi ska krossa dem,""We shall crush them,"
> crushing other citizens of Sweden. Then there is no law.
>
> After the march started the extreme leftists harassed the marchers the
> entire time and along the entire route to the field where the Swedish
> nationists would hold their speeches. One of the speakers was Magnus
> Söderman, one of the staff members of Swedish Resistance Movement.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMNjYEFALZs
>
> He was then arrested and charged of "incitement of racial hatred" and
> "violation of freedom of speech." This Orwellian term is now used by
> the thought police. Not THEY violate freedom of speech by arresting you
> after you speak, but YOU violate freedom by speaking.
>
> The police claimed he said in his speech "Sieg Heil" (specific German
> words that are specifically banned in Sweden), although he clearly says
> the Swedish slogan "Hel Seger." (Hail Victory). Judge for yourself if
> he said "Sieg Heil" or "Hel Seger." (And why is it wrong to say any
> slogan you want if it is a democracy?)
>
> Söderman might now face several months in prison in Sweden. On the way
> back downtown after their speeches the activists were again attacked by
> the peace-loving leftists. After a street fight the leftists ran away
> -- and the police surrounded activists of the Resistance Movement. And
> they arrested 114 members and supporters. All were photographed and
> their fingerprints and d voice samples were taken.
>
> That is "freedom" in Sweden. That is "freedom of speech" and "freedom
> of assembly." Perhaps things are getting worse in America, but I saw in
> Pennsylvania that America still has much more freedom, and you can use
> it.
>
> III. Keystone State Skinheads, picnic, Harrisburg, United States (July
> 19, 2008)
>
> I was invited by my friend John de Nugent to rendezvous with him in
> Harrisburg, the capital of Pennsylvania. He had gotten an invitation
> from the Keystone State Skinheads (www.kss88.com) to attend, and as a
> European I was interested to see how things work in the USA.
>
> The weather was lovely, sunny and warm, a perfect day to gather with
> your friends, children, to listen to music, eat good food and enjoy
> comradeship. We arrived to the meeting place, which was in a nice park.
> The log pavilion displayed various white national flags of organization
> and old German kaisers. There were at least 50 people at the picnic,
> including many women and children. The atmosphere was extremely good,
> and even though nobody knew me (or John at first, or two other comrades
> who came with us), I was warmly welcomed as a faraway Finn and European
> by the group. I was walking around the meeting place and answered many
> friendly questions.
>
> I also was having many thoughts:
>
> Would this sort of meeting be possible in Europe? What would be
> different in Europe? Well, everything, before, during and after the
> event. Harassment and physical danger at every step. Police who openly
> show they hate you and act like masters over your freedom. So-called
> "anti-racists" ((who hate the white race) and anti-fascists (who hate
> your freedom of speech and assembly) show up to stomp you, as they did
> with Daniel Wretström
>
> But this picnic was very cool indeed. For the first time in my life, in
> these sort of meetings, I really felt that I didn't have to look over
> my shoulders and think that the "SUPO" or the "SAPO" or other
> state-security police were about to grab me so as to question me what I
> was doing at a picnic!
>
> In Scandinavia, we like order and good planning, and I must say that
> here with the KSS in Harrisburg, everything was organized very well,
> with free literature, games, food and music. But no alcohol! The
> Keystone State Skinheads have strict attitude towards alcohol. No
> alcohol at any public meeting!
>
> As a free man I can say, looking back at Europe and forward at America:
> This is a lot of freedom! Use it. Keep it!
>
> Conclusion
>
> I have now spent almost two weeks in the United States. All my
> experiences here have been either very positive or negative, none
> neutral.
>
> I was surprised to find out how rude customer service can be in the
> "world's most greatest country" - especially by non-whites "working" in
> customer service. Even after seeing many American movies and TV shows,
> the culture shock has been incredible for a Scandinavian. It started
> right at JFK Airport in New York City.
>
> I am of course not only a Finnish tourist who visits New York or
> Washington and sees the sights. Through comrades I have the chance to
> see "behind the curtain" how things really are in America. In many ways
> it is better here and in other ways worse than in Europe. But most of
> all, as my friend John de Nugent says, you have almost total freedom to
> say whether or not you agree with the government, and you can express
> honest racial views and not feel a hand on your shoulder and arm to
> take you away, as has happened to me and thousands of other comrades in
> Europe.
>
> Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh. Beautiful, clean and still a white land. The
> landscape here is amazing, somewhat similar with Germany's state of
> Hessen or even Bavaria, or as a European girlfriend said, who saw
> digital pictures online, it is like the Carpathian mountains in
> Hungary, Romania and Ukraine. Yes, like Transylvania, so far no
> vampires.
>
> Photobucket
> On the bike trail from Freeport to Butler, along Buffalo Creek.
>
> The weather is cool, similar to Finland's weather, with the only
> difference that the sun here does not shine all night long as it does
> in my native city, Oulu. Oulu is further north than even Nome, Alaska,
> near the Arctic Circle.
>
> I see a lot of potential in Pennsylvania - a place that is still white
> and where racially aware whites are everywhere. A place that has a
> leader to lead the whites in this struggle to a new day, to open up a
> fully white homeland for the white European-Americans.
>
> It is now time my morning walk up toe hills to the meadows and streams
> with the dogs.
>
> Photobucket
>
> Walking up these hills reminds me of our road as white nationalists. It
> is slippery and even rocky, and you can get hurt. But we go to a hill
> that we know is steep. We will stay on it to the top, to breathe fresh
> air of freedom, and as we continue we will rise.
>
> ===============My new American animal
>
> I took this picture of the newly mowed field near the house.
>
> Photobucket
> In the center-left you can see two little black and white objects; they
> are Carmen and Spike and they are after something.
> Photobucket
> What IS that dark little object that is charging the two dogs attacking
> from both sides?
>
> It is this feisty little "groundhog"" or "woodchuck."
>
> Photobucket
>
> We have a similar animal, a "marmot," in Europe. Since this little guy
> was fighting very bravely his two-front war (just like Hitler ), John
> said "Let's pull away the dogs. It's a brave little groundhog!"
>
> In Finland, the highest word in our culture, the word that expresses
> what it means to be Finnish, man or woman, is SISU, bravery and
> toughness. We are proud of the massive defeats we inflicted on the
> Soviet enemy in 1939-1940 when the gigantic Soviet Army invaded our
> small country, in the Winter War. And from 1941-1944 we again fought
> the Soviets, alongside our German ally. Our uniforms, our helmets,
> military training and even our national anthem came from Germany, which
> we felt was our big brother.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQmwbQttkY
> An American video with former president Herbert Hoover, advocating that
> America help the Finns. Of course, Roosevelt did nothing to help
> Finland; he was pro-Jewish and pro-Soviet; he ordered in 1933 that the
> U.S. establish diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union as one of his
> first acts as president. In WWII, he called Joseph Stalin, who murdered
> tens of millions, "Uncle Joe."
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibWJBHCqIZo
> This is a Discovery Channel video about the Winter War, part 1 of 5.
>
> John says that America's anthem ends: "the land of the free and the
> home of the brave." In Europe how can you be free if you cannot speak?
> How can you be brave if you cannot have guns? America must stop the
> nightmare here that has already engulfed Europ

== 2 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 19:28
Von: "Chom Noamsky"

"Anarchore" <e@t.me> wrote in message:
> It is plain to see that those labelled as 'Nazis' by state and media
> are in fact those who are fighting for liberty and their very survival.

I once shaved my hair offf with the #1 clipper and went tripping around
Russia. Everywhere I went I was mistaken for a neo-Nazi or a German drug
dealer (narcoman!). I ran into some real skinheads in Moscow, they were a
bunch of filthy vulgar pigs, full of hate and violence. One of the best
friends I made on my travels was with a Russian Jew, she was generous,
caring, sexy, intelligent, not to mention damn good looking. My best buddy
in Canada is a Jew, super intelligent, we can talk for hours and never get
bored.

I love Jews, I hope they take over the world.

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THEMA: das Brechen von Knochen palästinensischer Kinder... oder, Wie die
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== 1 von 5 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 19:36
Von: MukiPuki :-Þ

Am Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:10:37 +0200 schrieb AngryHippo XVI:

> Odin schrieb:
>> Eine neue israelische Studie bestätigt die schlimmsten Befürchtungen
>>
>> von Dalia Karpel, erschienen in der hebräischen Ausgabe von Haaretz,
>> 21./ 27.September 2007
>>
>> Die israelischen Soldaten sprachen gegenüber Nofer Ishai-Karen frei,
>> die mit ihnen in demselben Eshbal-Zug vor 20 Jahren diente. Sie gaben
>> ihre innersten Emotionen über die schrecklichsten Verbrechen, an denen
>> sie teilgenommen hatten, preis: Mord, das Brechen von Knochen
>> palästinensischer Kinder, demütigende Aktionen, Zerstörung von
>> Eigentum, Raub und Diebstahl…"
>>
>> http://politblog.net/nachrichten/2007/10/15/1665-wenn-israelische-soldaten-das-schweigen-brechen/#more-1665
>
> Das sind alles nur "Einzelfälle"...
>
> Hunderte, ach was Tausende von "Einzelfällen"!

Na ja, bei den deutschen Nazis waren es ca. 6 Millionen Einzelfälle und
hinz kommen noch mals geschätze 6 - 12 Millionen nichtjüdische
Einzelfälle...

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im Killfile
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In einem Anflug von Selbsterkenntnis resümiert Siegfrid Breuer:
"Arschlöcher bleiben
Arschlöcher, völlig unabhängig von ihrer politischen Orientierung."
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"Man muß schon selber deppert sein und den Müll von Hand posten."
rechtfertig Siegfrid seine
Anwesenheit im Usenet. <AdVToqKjnYB@tipota.de>

Jeder Mensch hat an seiner Hinterseite einen Arsch, der ihm
auf Schritt und Tritt folgt.
Mein Arsch taufte ich auf den Namen Siegfrid Breuer.
(Übereinstimmungen mit zur Zeit noch lebenden Personen wären rein
zufälliger Natur)
- - - - -
Auszug aus meinem Killfile:
[*]
# penetrante Stalkerschwein(e)
!delete From "Siegfrid Breuer"
# trollende argumentationslose Nazis werden gelesen markiert
!markread From "H.P.Huber"
#kriminelle Naziposter, die andere Poster bedrohen
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!delete From "martin.muller1@gmx"
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Die Bezeichnung "Gutmensch" ist ein Kompliment von Schlechtmenschen,
was man leider nicht erwidern kann, denn sie sind ja schlecht.

== 2 von 5 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 19:43
Von: AngryHippo XVI

MukiPuki :-Þ schrieb:
> Am Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:10:37 +0200 schrieb AngryHippo XVI:
>
>> Odin schrieb:
>>> Eine neue israelische Studie bestätigt die schlimmsten Befürchtungen
>>>
>>> von Dalia Karpel, erschienen in der hebräischen Ausgabe von Haaretz,
>>> 21./ 27.September 2007
>>>
>>> Die israelischen Soldaten sprachen gegenüber Nofer Ishai-Karen frei,
>>> die mit ihnen in demselben Eshbal-Zug vor 20 Jahren diente. Sie gaben
>>> ihre innersten Emotionen über die schrecklichsten Verbrechen, an denen
>>> sie teilgenommen hatten, preis: Mord, das Brechen von Knochen
>>> palästinensischer Kinder, demütigende Aktionen, Zerstörung von
>>> Eigentum, Raub und Diebstahl…"
>>>
>>> http://politblog.net/nachrichten/2007/10/15/1665-wenn-israelische-soldaten-das-schweigen-brechen/#more-1665
>> Das sind alles nur "Einzelfälle"...
>>
>> Hunderte, ach was Tausende von "Einzelfällen"!
>
> Na ja, bei den deutschen Nazis waren es ca. 6 Millionen Einzelfälle

Nö, das war schon staatlich angeordneter, im industriellen Maßstab
organisierter Massenmord.

Das brauchst Du gar nicht erst zu relativieren, Ohlemacher!

Da gibt es nix zu beschönigen oder zu verharmlosen.

> hinz kommen noch mals geschätze 6 - 12 Millionen nichtjüdische
^^^^

Kunz auch?

Aber darum geht es ja gar nicht, Ohlimausi, im Moment geht es darum, wie
die IDF sich in Palästina benimmt, verstehst Du den Unterschied, ja?

Oder nicht?

Also, noch mal gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanz langsaaaaaaaaaaam für Dich, Ohlimausi:

Das eine fand vor 65 Jahren statt, das andere passiert *jetzt*, in der
Gegenwart!

Du bist geistig in der Lage, den Unterschied festzustellen, ja?

--
"Jeder Mensch hat das Recht auf freie Meinungsäusserung; dieses Recht
umfasst die Freiheit, Meinungen unangefochten anzuhängen und
Informationen und Ideen mit allen Verständigungsmitteln ohne Rücksicht
auf Grenzen zu suchen, zu empfangen und zu verbreiten."
Artikel 19, "Allgemeine Erklärung der Menschenrechte", Resolution 217 A
(III) der UN-Vollversammmlung vom 10.12.1948

== 3 von 5 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:02
Von: LICHT DER WAHRHEIT

Der hirnlose Kommunist albertus magnus II übergab sich und kotzte aus:

> Verweis:
>
>
> Das "LICHT DER WAHRHEIT"
>
> hat seine Schicht im Schwulenpuff beendet

Ich soll bei dir gewesen sein? Never!
--
Von Gesocks wie dir "Nazi" genannt zu werden, ist eine Ehre.
Ich danke dir.

== 4 von 5 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:03
Von: LICHT DER WAHRHEIT

Die hirnlose Kommunistensau Lars Braesicke übergab sich und kotzte aus:

> ScheißeStattHirn alias LICHT DER WAHRHEIT schrieb:
>> Der hirnlose Kommunist Lars Braesicke übergab sich und kotzte aus:
>>
>>> Wolfgang Kieckbusch schrieb:
>>>> On 30 Jul., 18:41, Odin <manfred.gl...@web.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Deutsche nazis dagegen schlagen gern mit harten Werkzeugen auf
>>>> Kinder in Zelten ein . . .
>>>
>>> Und da sagt Mit-Nazi "Odin" nix.
>>> Beredtes Schweigen.
>>>
>> Warum sollte er mit einer Tucke wie dir reden, Lara?
>
> Soll er nicht, ScheißeStattHirn.
>
Na also. Geht doch, Lara Präservativvergessen.

--
Von Gesocks wie dir "Nazi" genannt zu werden, ist eine Ehre.
Ich danke dir.

== 5 von 5 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:24
Von: "albertus magnus II"

Verweis:

"LICHT DER WAHRHEIT" sollte nicht wieder sein Gleitgel mit 'nem
Sekundenkleber verwechseln wenn er seine Schicht im Schwulenpuff antritt

Von dir Nazidrecksau "Kommunist" genannt zu werden ist eine Ehre.

Ich danke dir

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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 19:49
Von: Fred Meier

x-no-archive: yes

Calimero schrieb:
> Erzählense doch mal ...

Becker meinte eben noch, Deine Stasi-Karriere wäre abrupt beendet worde.
Erzähl doch dazu mal was, bitteschön, ja?!

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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 17:00
Von: m.blumentritt@cl-hh.comlink.de (Martin Blumentritt)

Nr. 31
"Wenn die Reservepolizisten von Gesprächen an den Schauplätzen der
Vernichtung berichten, legen die Darstellungen nahe, daß sie den
Völkermord und ihre Taten grundsätzlich billigten. So schildert etwa
einer der Männer die gute Stimmung und die Fröhlichkeit, die bei
einer Mahlzeit unmittelbar nach einem Mordeeinsatz geherrscht habe:
»Am Mittagstisch machten sich einige Kameraden über die Erlebnisse,
die sie während der Aktion gehabt hatten, lustig. Aus ihren
Erzählungen konnte ich entnehmen, daß sie eine Erschießungsaktion
hinter sich gebracht hatten. So erinnere ich einen besonders krassen
Fall, daß einer der Männer zum besten gab, daß wir nun »Judenbrägen«
essen. Diese Bemerkung war mir zuwider, daß ich den Mann zurechtwies
und er dann auch verstummte. Die anderen Kameraden, die über diesen
für meine Begriffe »grausamen Witz« gelacht hatten, verstummten
ebenfalls.«"(D.J.Goldhagen, Hitlers willige Vollstrecker, S.295f)

Zur Begründung der Postings siehe den wöchentlich versandten Text mit
dem Betreff: Nazis, ab in den sozialen Verachtungstod!!!

URL http://www.martinblumentritt.de

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== 1 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 17:00
Von: m.blumentritt@cl-hh.comlink.de (Martin Blumentritt)

*Was ist überhaupt Volksverhetzung*

Bei der Volksverhetzung geht es um Taten, die geeignet sind, den
öffentlichen Frieden zu stören.

*Was ist öffentlicher Frieden im Sinne des Gesetzes*

Unter öffentlichem Frieden ist zum einen der Zustand der allgemeinen
Rechtssicherheit angesprochen, zum anderen das Gefühl der Sicherheit
in der Bevölkerung zu verstehen.

Der Tatbestand der *Störung* des öffentlichen Friedens ist erfüllt,
wenn
1) eine Erschütterung des Vertrauens in die allgemeine
Rechtssicherheit entsteht, eine Beeinträchtigung des
Sicherheitsgefühls des angegriffenen Teil der Bevölkerung und
erst sekundär

2) wenn dieses eintritt durch ein Aufhetzen des Publikums und
der dadurch begründeten Gefahr weitergehender Übergriffe.

Keinesfalls ist also der Straftatbestand: die Äusserung einer
abweichenden Meinung als solche. Die allgemeine Meinungsfreiheit ist
also durch die Verfolgung von Volksverhetzung unberührt.

Es geht darum, daß mit öffentlichen Äußerungen eine Gefühl der
Rechtsunsicherheit im angegriffen Teil der Bevölkerung eintritt. Es
handelt sich also um einen Akt der Gewalt gegen einen Teil der
Bevölkerung. Des weiteren wirken diese öffentlichen Äusserungen ein
auf die kollektive Mentalität und senken die Hemmschwellen dafür, daß
auch andere Gewalttaten gegen die Teile der Bevölkerung, die von den
Diskriminierungen betroffen sind, begangen werden.

*Angriffsobjekt* solcher Tathandlungen sind "Teile der Bevölkerung".
Als solche gelten nach der Rechtsprechung Personenmehrheiten, die
sich auf Grund äußerer oder innerer Merkmale als abgrenzbare Teile
aus der inländischen Bevölkerung herausheben lassen. Zu solche
Merkmalen gehören z.B. "Rasse", Volkszugehörigkeit, Religion,
politische oder weltanschauliche Überzeugung, aber auch soziale oder
wirtschaftliche Verhältnisse. Diese Gruppe muß außerdem über eine
geringfügige Zahl hinausgehen und eine gewisse Bedeutung im
gesellschaftlichen Leben haben. Minderheiten, die aufgrund ihrer
Taten allgemeine Mißbilligung auslösen, gehören nicht dazu, also
z.B. nicht Nazis, Massenmörder, Sexualstraftäter usw. Wenn sich Nazis
darüber aufregen, daß sie diskriminiert und verfolgt werden, dann
wäre da ja auch so, als ob sich jemand, der Mutter und Vater
umgebracht hat, darüber beklagt, daß er nur ein armer Waise ist und
keine Eltern hat.

Zur *Tatbestandsschwelle* gehört es, daß Angriffe gegen
Einzelpersonen nur dann genügen, wenn damit zugleich eine bestimmte
Bevölkerungsgruppe - im Sinne von "Teilen der Bevölkerung" des
Gesetzes - getroffen werden sollen. Ob diese Tatbestandschwelle
erreicht wird, beurteilt sich nach dem objektiven, durch Auslegung
unter Berücksichtigung aller hierfuer bedeutsamen Umstände zu
ermittelnden Erklärungswert der Äußerung. Wenn z.B. der Vorsitzende
des Zentralrats der Juden in Deutschland beleidigt wird, so kann das
auch Volksverhetzung sein, wenn dies nicht bloß ihn privat betrifft.

Nach geltender Rechtsprechung genügt politische Kritik, mag sie auch
hart und unberechtigt sein, nicht, um den Tatbestand der
Volksverhetzung zu erfüllen.

Es ist ergo Blödsinn zu behaupten, es würde mittels des Paragraphen
130 (Volksverhetzung) die Meinungsfreiheit eingeschränkt. Das wird sie
nicht. Eingeschränkt werden Gewalthandlungen, die mittels öffentlicher
Äußerungen begangen werden, die 1. unmittelbar die Lebensqualität der
für das Leben bedeutsamer Teile der Bevoelkerung mindern, die von der
Hetze betroffen sind 2. die Hemmschwelle bei der Bevölkerung
herabsetzen, die und auch andere Gewalt gegen diese anzuwenden.

Der perlokutionäre Gehalt der Rede - m.a.W. der praktisch-wirksame
Effekt - ist nicht die Information über eine wissenschaftliche
Lehrauffassung oder die Darlegung eines Sachverhalts, sondern die
Zerstörung des sozialen Friedens, die zwei Komponenten hat 1. die
Lebensqualitaet z.B. der Juden oder von Ausländern zu mindern, indem
ihr Sicherheitsgefühl empfindlich beeinträchtigt wird 2. die
Hemmschwelle aggressiver Gewalt zu senken.

Warum ist die Leugnung oder Verharmlosung der Verbrechen, die in der
Zeit des Nationalsozialismus von den Deutschen begangen wurden eine
Straftat und keine Meinungsäußerung? Zum einen glaubt wohl kaum ein
Leugner und Verharmloser selbst an das, was er sagt, sondern er hat
die bewußte Absicht Gewalt gegen die Teile der Bevölkerung auszuüben,
die zur Personengruppe gehören, die von den Deutschen in der Zeit des
Nationalsozialismus ermordet wurden. Es war allerdings nicht nur ein
normaler Mord. Zu den Umständen der Tat gehört auch die Auslöschung des
Angedenkens der Toten, welche die Ergänzung und Vollendung der
Vernichtung der Lebenden ist. Und daher gehört die Leugnung und
Verharmlosung des Massenverbrechens auch dazu. Und es ist beschämend,
daß Bücher wie das von H.G.Adler herausgegebene, Auschwitz, Zeugnisse
und Berichte, nicht die Verbreitung finden, die ihnen gebührt:

"Aber während den Memoiren eines Speer und den Erinnerungen von
Hitlers Schuhputzer ganze Wälder zum Opfer gefallen sind, ohne daß
die Grünen diese doppelte Beschädigung der Welt angeprangert hatten,
wurden von den Zeugnissen und Berichten aus Auschwitz gerade 8000
Exemplare nachgedruckt - 17 Jahre nach der ersten Auflage. Und
während Speers schriftstellerische Tätigkeit sich im Gegenwert
mindestens einer Villa im Tessin darstellen dürfte, haben die
Herausgeber und Autoren der Zeugnisse und Berichte aus Auschwitz auf
jegliches Honorar verzichtet, damit der Band zu einem für alle
erschwinglichen Preis vertrieben werden kann. Man wird in dieser
Gesellschaft offenbar nur fur die überflussige, unnütze Arbeit
bezahlt, die wichtige und notwendige muß man gratis verrichten.

Die geringe Verbreitung des Buches in Deutschland ist ein Skandal, an
dem eine Werbekampagne freilich nichts andern wurde. Es zählt zu den
Dingen, deren Sinn und Gehalt an Propaganda und Reklame zerbräche.
Wie es sich immer auszahlt, jemanden zu überreden, ihm etwas
aufzuschwatzen, wenn man es auf dessen Geld und den eigenen Vorteil
abgesehen hat, so lohnt es sich nie, die am Eigennutz
desinteressierte Wahrheit anzupreisen. Durch den Umstand, daß die
Menschen sich zur Einsicht erst überreden lassen mußten, wäre die
Wahrheit fur immer vergiftet. Trotz der gebotenen Zuruckhaltung aber
dürfen anhand des Buches einige Uberlegungen entwickelt werden, deren
Bescheidenheit darin bestebt, nur unter skandalösen Verhältnissen
nicht selbstverständlich zu sein. Fur die Publikation von Berichten
aus Konzentrationslagern werden häufig pragmatische, politische und
pädagogische Grunde angeführt - als müßten ausgerechnet diese
Publikationen erst begründet werden. Man argumentiert dann, es möge
die genaue Information uber die Vorgänge in den Vernichtungslagern
den Menschen eine Warnung und Lehre sein. Man stellt den Berichten
also eine kleine Erörterung voran, die mit dem bekannten Titel 'Vom
Nutzen und Nachteil der Historie für das Leben' überschrieben sein
könnte. So unbezweifelbar es ist, daß diese Berichte den Lebenden als
Lehre und Warnung nützen können, so gewiß ist auch, daß ihre
Veröffentlichung sich auf triftigere Gründe berufen kann als die
Rechtfertigung durch den zu erwartenden Nutzen. Die Lebenden konnen
sich auf vielfältige Weise selber helfen, nicht aber die Toten, deren
Ermordung damals die Menschheit geschehen ließ. Für sie, an deren
furchtbarem Ende nichts zu andern und nichts wiedergutzumachen ist,
gibt es nur eine Rettung. Vor ihrem Anspruch, von den Überlebenden
angehört und nicht vergessen zu werden, hat jeder andere
zurückzustehen.

In den 'Zeugnissen und Berichten' sind unter anderem Aufzeichnungen
abgedruckt, die ihr Verfasser, ein anonymer Häftling, in Auschwitz
vergraben hatte und die man dort erst neun Jahre später fand. Darin
heiBt es: 'Ich bitte, alle meine seinerzeit vergrabenen Schilderungen
und Notizen mit der Unterschrift I.A.R.A. zu ordnen und unter dem
Titel 'Im Abgrund des Verbrechens' zu veröffentlichen. Jetzt gehen
wir, die 170 übriggebliebenen Manner zu unseren Frauen. Wir sind
überzeugt, daß man uns in den Tod führt ... Heute, am 26. November
1944.' Den unentrinnbaren Tod in der Gaskammer vor Augen war dieser
namenlose Haftling gepeinigt gewesen von der Furcht, die Menschheit
könne nichts von den Verbrechen in Auschwitz erfahren. Ein anderer
Häftling, der Auschwitz überlebt hat, berichtet von denen, die schon
zur Vernichtung selektiert worden waren: 'Vergeßt nicht die
Vergeltung und vergeßt nicht die Opfer - das mögen bei vielen, die
noch zu denken imstande waren, die letzten Gedanken gewesen sein.'
Gelegentlich unternahmen die, welche von ihrer unmittelbar
bevorstehenden Ermordung wußten, den verzweifelten Versuch, sich
selbst ein Grabmal zu setzen. Es wurden an den Barackenwanden
Inschriften gefunden wie diese: 'Andreas Rappaport - lebte 16 Jahre.'
Heute, 35 Jahre später, kann man sagen, daß die Mühe der Haftlinge,
ihre Aufzeichnungen zu vergraben, ebenso vergebens war, wie der
letzten Bitte und eindringlichen Mahnung vieler Ermordeter nicht
entsprochen worden ist. Noch der verzweifelte Versuch, sich durch
eine Inschrift an der Barackenwand nicht vorm Tod, aber vor der
spurlosen Vernichtung zu retten, ist gescheitert. Der einzige Trost
der Opfer, daß sie im Angedenken und in den Taten einer sie rächenden
Menschheit weiterleben würden, wurde von der ferneren Geschichte als
Illusion verhöhnt. Nachtraglich hat sich das Kalkul der SS als ebenso
richtig erwiesen wie der immer wieder heuchlerisch bestaunte Verzicht
der Opfer auf Widerstand.

'Schließlich sorgte die SS dafür', schreibt Hermann Langbein, 'daß
keiner, der an Widerstand dachte, hoffen durfte, daß seine Tat der
Nachwelt bekannt wird, wenn er sie mit dem Leben bezahlen muß;
unbemerkt wurde er untergehen im allgemeinen Chaos der Vernichtung,
kein Zeuge wurde je von ihm berichten können. Helden entstehen aber
am ehesten, wenn sie hoffen durfen, daß ihre Taten sie überleben.'
(Und nicht nur Helden, darf man Langbein hier erganzen, sondern ganz
allgemein Menschen, die nicht auf den kreatürlichen Reflex des
Selbsterhaltungstriebes reduziert sind.)

Wenn es stimmt, daß, wie Horkheimer und Adorno in der Dialektik der
Aufklärung schrieben, die Verwüstung der Friedhöfe keine
Ausschreitung des Antisemitismus sondern dieser selbst ist, dann
stimmt es auch, daß der Antisemitismus siegte. Die Auslöschung des
Angedenkens der Toten, welche die Ergänzung und Vollendung der
Vernichtung der Lebenden ist, konnte in der Bundesrepublik - obwohl
es dann trotzden vorkam - auf Verwüsten von Friedhöfen und Umstürzen
von Grabsteinen verzichten, weil es für die Opfer von Auschwitz,
Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor weder Friedhöfe noch Grabsteine gab."

W.Pohrt, Auschwitz, Zeugnisse und Berichte Über das gleichnamige
Buch, in: Ausverkauf. Von der Endlösung zu ihrer Alternative. Berlin
1980

== 2 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 21:26
Von: "Kurt Knoll"

Ja Martin das Kritisieren deines Holocaust is Volkverhetzung. Was du hier
willst da die deutschen einen Maulkorb haben und das Maul zu halten wen es
sich um Übertreibungen deines Holocaust dreht.
Kurt Knoll.

"Martin Blumentritt" <m.blumentritt@cl-hh.comlink.de> wrote in message
news:AiwKYIDgl4B.m.blumentritt@comlink.de...
> *Was ist überhaupt Volksverhetzung*
>
> Bei der Volksverhetzung geht es um Taten, die geeignet sind, den
> öffentlichen Frieden zu stören.
>
> *Was ist öffentlicher Frieden im Sinne des Gesetzes*
>
> Unter öffentlichem Frieden ist zum einen der Zustand der allgemeinen
> Rechtssicherheit angesprochen, zum anderen das Gefühl der Sicherheit
> in der Bevölkerung zu verstehen.
>
> Der Tatbestand der *Störung* des öffentlichen Friedens ist erfüllt,
> wenn
> 1) eine Erschütterung des Vertrauens in die allgemeine
> Rechtssicherheit entsteht, eine Beeinträchtigung des
> Sicherheitsgefühls des angegriffenen Teil der Bevölkerung und
> erst sekundär
>
> 2) wenn dieses eintritt durch ein Aufhetzen des Publikums und
> der dadurch begründeten Gefahr weitergehender Übergriffe.
>
> Keinesfalls ist also der Straftatbestand: die Äusserung einer
> abweichenden Meinung als solche. Die allgemeine Meinungsfreiheit ist
> also durch die Verfolgung von Volksverhetzung unberührt.
>
> Es geht darum, daß mit öffentlichen Äußerungen eine Gefühl der
> Rechtsunsicherheit im angegriffen Teil der Bevölkerung eintritt. Es
> handelt sich also um einen Akt der Gewalt gegen einen Teil der
> Bevölkerung. Des weiteren wirken diese öffentlichen Äusserungen ein
> auf die kollektive Mentalität und senken die Hemmschwellen dafür, daß
> auch andere Gewalttaten gegen die Teile der Bevölkerung, die von den
> Diskriminierungen betroffen sind, begangen werden.
>
> *Angriffsobjekt* solcher Tathandlungen sind "Teile der Bevölkerung".
> Als solche gelten nach der Rechtsprechung Personenmehrheiten, die
> sich auf Grund äußerer oder innerer Merkmale als abgrenzbare Teile
> aus der inländischen Bevölkerung herausheben lassen. Zu solche
> Merkmalen gehören z.B. "Rasse", Volkszugehörigkeit, Religion,
> politische oder weltanschauliche Überzeugung, aber auch soziale oder
> wirtschaftliche Verhältnisse. Diese Gruppe muß außerdem über eine
> geringfügige Zahl hinausgehen und eine gewisse Bedeutung im
> gesellschaftlichen Leben haben. Minderheiten, die aufgrund ihrer
> Taten allgemeine Mißbilligung auslösen, gehören nicht dazu, also
> z.B. nicht Nazis, Massenmörder, Sexualstraftäter usw. Wenn sich Nazis
> darüber aufregen, daß sie diskriminiert und verfolgt werden, dann
> wäre da ja auch so, als ob sich jemand, der Mutter und Vater
> umgebracht hat, darüber beklagt, daß er nur ein armer Waise ist und
> keine Eltern hat.
>
> Zur *Tatbestandsschwelle* gehört es, daß Angriffe gegen
> Einzelpersonen nur dann genügen, wenn damit zugleich eine bestimmte
> Bevölkerungsgruppe - im Sinne von "Teilen der Bevölkerung" des
> Gesetzes - getroffen werden sollen. Ob diese Tatbestandschwelle
> erreicht wird, beurteilt sich nach dem objektiven, durch Auslegung
> unter Berücksichtigung aller hierfuer bedeutsamen Umstände zu
> ermittelnden Erklärungswert der Äußerung. Wenn z.B. der Vorsitzende
> des Zentralrats der Juden in Deutschland beleidigt wird, so kann das
> auch Volksverhetzung sein, wenn dies nicht bloß ihn privat betrifft.
>
> Nach geltender Rechtsprechung genügt politische Kritik, mag sie auch
> hart und unberechtigt sein, nicht, um den Tatbestand der
> Volksverhetzung zu erfüllen.
>
> Es ist ergo Blödsinn zu behaupten, es würde mittels des Paragraphen
> 130 (Volksverhetzung) die Meinungsfreiheit eingeschränkt. Das wird sie
> nicht. Eingeschränkt werden Gewalthandlungen, die mittels öffentlicher
> Äußerungen begangen werden, die 1. unmittelbar die Lebensqualität der
> für das Leben bedeutsamer Teile der Bevoelkerung mindern, die von der
> Hetze betroffen sind 2. die Hemmschwelle bei der Bevölkerung
> herabsetzen, die und auch andere Gewalt gegen diese anzuwenden.
>
> Der perlokutionäre Gehalt der Rede - m.a.W. der praktisch-wirksame
> Effekt - ist nicht die Information über eine wissenschaftliche
> Lehrauffassung oder die Darlegung eines Sachverhalts, sondern die
> Zerstörung des sozialen Friedens, die zwei Komponenten hat 1. die
> Lebensqualitaet z.B. der Juden oder von Ausländern zu mindern, indem
> ihr Sicherheitsgefühl empfindlich beeinträchtigt wird 2. die
> Hemmschwelle aggressiver Gewalt zu senken.
>
> Warum ist die Leugnung oder Verharmlosung der Verbrechen, die in der
> Zeit des Nationalsozialismus von den Deutschen begangen wurden eine
> Straftat und keine Meinungsäußerung? Zum einen glaubt wohl kaum ein
> Leugner und Verharmloser selbst an das, was er sagt, sondern er hat
> die bewußte Absicht Gewalt gegen die Teile der Bevölkerung auszuüben,
> die zur Personengruppe gehören, die von den Deutschen in der Zeit des
> Nationalsozialismus ermordet wurden. Es war allerdings nicht nur ein
> normaler Mord. Zu den Umständen der Tat gehört auch die Auslöschung des
> Angedenkens der Toten, welche die Ergänzung und Vollendung der
> Vernichtung der Lebenden ist. Und daher gehört die Leugnung und
> Verharmlosung des Massenverbrechens auch dazu. Und es ist beschämend,
> daß Bücher wie das von H.G.Adler herausgegebene, Auschwitz, Zeugnisse
> und Berichte, nicht die Verbreitung finden, die ihnen gebührt:
>
> "Aber während den Memoiren eines Speer und den Erinnerungen von
> Hitlers Schuhputzer ganze Wälder zum Opfer gefallen sind, ohne daß
> die Grünen diese doppelte Beschädigung der Welt angeprangert hatten,
> wurden von den Zeugnissen und Berichten aus Auschwitz gerade 8000
> Exemplare nachgedruckt - 17 Jahre nach der ersten Auflage. Und
> während Speers schriftstellerische Tätigkeit sich im Gegenwert
> mindestens einer Villa im Tessin darstellen dürfte, haben die
> Herausgeber und Autoren der Zeugnisse und Berichte aus Auschwitz auf
> jegliches Honorar verzichtet, damit der Band zu einem für alle
> erschwinglichen Preis vertrieben werden kann. Man wird in dieser
> Gesellschaft offenbar nur fur die überflussige, unnütze Arbeit
> bezahlt, die wichtige und notwendige muß man gratis verrichten.
>
> Die geringe Verbreitung des Buches in Deutschland ist ein Skandal, an
> dem eine Werbekampagne freilich nichts andern wurde. Es zählt zu den
> Dingen, deren Sinn und Gehalt an Propaganda und Reklame zerbräche.
> Wie es sich immer auszahlt, jemanden zu überreden, ihm etwas
> aufzuschwatzen, wenn man es auf dessen Geld und den eigenen Vorteil
> abgesehen hat, so lohnt es sich nie, die am Eigennutz
> desinteressierte Wahrheit anzupreisen. Durch den Umstand, daß die
> Menschen sich zur Einsicht erst überreden lassen mußten, wäre die
> Wahrheit fur immer vergiftet. Trotz der gebotenen Zuruckhaltung aber
> dürfen anhand des Buches einige Uberlegungen entwickelt werden, deren
> Bescheidenheit darin bestebt, nur unter skandalösen Verhältnissen
> nicht selbstverständlich zu sein. Fur die Publikation von Berichten
> aus Konzentrationslagern werden häufig pragmatische, politische und
> pädagogische Grunde angeführt - als müßten ausgerechnet diese
> Publikationen erst begründet werden. Man argumentiert dann, es möge
> die genaue Information uber die Vorgänge in den Vernichtungslagern
> den Menschen eine Warnung und Lehre sein. Man stellt den Berichten
> also eine kleine Erörterung voran, die mit dem bekannten Titel 'Vom
> Nutzen und Nachteil der Historie für das Leben' überschrieben sein
> könnte. So unbezweifelbar es ist, daß diese Berichte den Lebenden als
> Lehre und Warnung nützen können, so gewiß ist auch, daß ihre
> Veröffentlichung sich auf triftigere Gründe berufen kann als die
> Rechtfertigung durch den zu erwartenden Nutzen. Die Lebenden konnen
> sich auf vielfältige Weise selber helfen, nicht aber die Toten, deren
> Ermordung damals die Menschheit geschehen ließ. Für sie, an deren
> furchtbarem Ende nichts zu andern und nichts wiedergutzumachen ist,
> gibt es nur eine Rettung. Vor ihrem Anspruch, von den Überlebenden
> angehört und nicht vergessen zu werden, hat jeder andere
> zurückzustehen.
>
> In den 'Zeugnissen und Berichten' sind unter anderem Aufzeichnungen
> abgedruckt, die ihr Verfasser, ein anonymer Häftling, in Auschwitz
> vergraben hatte und die man dort erst neun Jahre später fand. Darin
> heiBt es: 'Ich bitte, alle meine seinerzeit vergrabenen Schilderungen
> und Notizen mit der Unterschrift I.A.R.A. zu ordnen und unter dem
> Titel 'Im Abgrund des Verbrechens' zu veröffentlichen. Jetzt gehen
> wir, die 170 übriggebliebenen Manner zu unseren Frauen. Wir sind
> überzeugt, daß man uns in den Tod führt ... Heute, am 26. November
> 1944.' Den unentrinnbaren Tod in der Gaskammer vor Augen war dieser
> namenlose Haftling gepeinigt gewesen von der Furcht, die Menschheit
> könne nichts von den Verbrechen in Auschwitz erfahren. Ein anderer
> Häftling, der Auschwitz überlebt hat, berichtet von denen, die schon
> zur Vernichtung selektiert worden waren: 'Vergeßt nicht die
> Vergeltung und vergeßt nicht die Opfer - das mögen bei vielen, die
> noch zu denken imstande waren, die letzten Gedanken gewesen sein.'
> Gelegentlich unternahmen die, welche von ihrer unmittelbar
> bevorstehenden Ermordung wußten, den verzweifelten Versuch, sich
> selbst ein Grabmal zu setzen. Es wurden an den Barackenwanden
> Inschriften gefunden wie diese: 'Andreas Rappaport - lebte 16 Jahre.'
> Heute, 35 Jahre später, kann man sagen, daß die Mühe der Haftlinge,
> ihre Aufzeichnungen zu vergraben, ebenso vergebens war, wie der
> letzten Bitte und eindringlichen Mahnung vieler Ermordeter nicht
> entsprochen worden ist. Noch der verzweifelte Versuch, sich durch
> eine Inschrift an der Barackenwand nicht vorm Tod, aber vor der
> spurlosen Vernichtung zu retten, ist gescheitert. Der einzige Trost
> der Opfer, daß sie im Angedenken und in den Taten einer sie rächenden
> Menschheit weiterleben würden, wurde von der ferneren Geschichte als
> Illusion verhöhnt. Nachtraglich hat sich das Kalkul der SS als ebenso
> richtig erwiesen wie der immer wieder heuchlerisch bestaunte Verzicht
> der Opfer auf Widerstand.
>
> 'Schließlich sorgte die SS dafür', schreibt Hermann Langbein, 'daß
> keiner, der an Widerstand dachte, hoffen durfte, daß seine Tat der
> Nachwelt bekannt wird, wenn er sie mit dem Leben bezahlen muß;
> unbemerkt wurde er untergehen im allgemeinen Chaos der Vernichtung,
> kein Zeuge wurde je von ihm berichten können. Helden entstehen aber
> am ehesten, wenn sie hoffen durfen, daß ihre Taten sie überleben.'
> (Und nicht nur Helden, darf man Langbein hier erganzen, sondern ganz
> allgemein Menschen, die nicht auf den kreatürlichen Reflex des
> Selbsterhaltungstriebes reduziert sind.)
>
> Wenn es stimmt, daß, wie Horkheimer und Adorno in der Dialektik der
> Aufklärung schrieben, die Verwüstung der Friedhöfe keine
> Ausschreitung des Antisemitismus sondern dieser selbst ist, dann
> stimmt es auch, daß der Antisemitismus siegte. Die Auslöschung des
> Angedenkens der Toten, welche die Ergänzung und Vollendung der
> Vernichtung der Lebenden ist, konnte in der Bundesrepublik - obwohl
> es dann trotzden vorkam - auf Verwüsten von Friedhöfen und Umstürzen
> von Grabsteinen verzichten, weil es für die Opfer von Auschwitz,
> Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor weder Friedhöfe noch Grabsteine gab."
>
> W.Pohrt, Auschwitz, Zeugnisse und Berichte Über das gleichnamige
> Buch, in: Ausverkauf. Von der Endlösung zu ihrer Alternative. Berlin
> 1980
>

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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:04
Von: MukiPuki :-Þ

Am Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:48:14 +0200 schrieb Werner Schneider:

>>> Das Thema
>>> Afghanistan ist dort sehr stark unterrepräsentiert. Alle
>>> halbe Jahr kommt das Thema auf den Tisch, zwei Kontra-Leute
>>> wie Scholl-Latour etc. sind eingeladen und sagen dann, der
>>> Krieg kann nicht gewonnen werden, und das wars dann.
>>
>> Und was erwarten der Herr?
>
> Ich erwarte, dass die contra-Meinung zu Afghanistan ebenfalls
> ausführlich in den Medien zur Sprache kommt. Das ist nicht
> der Fall.

Das ist nicht die Aufgabe von seriösem Journalismus, der sich auf die
Publikationen von Sachverhalten zu konzentrieren hat, nicht jedoch
Meinungen und Ansichten verbreiten soll. Hierzu gibt es extra die
Kommentarseite. Oder glaubst du wirklich, dass es die Welt interessiert,
welche Meinun Werner Schneider vertritt?

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== 1 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:11
Von: Doc Tony

Kurt Knoll wrote:

> Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp. Every morning
> the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck. One day the did pile
> all the death German death prisoners into a pile. A film grew came and took
> movies. He latter on seen the movie clip with the death striped and nacked
> German POW in some holocaust movie.
> Kurt Knoll.
>

And there you have it! Straight from the horse's 'Popo' [** German
slang: 'ass' or 'backside']. I'll tell you, even the 'best' of
commercial satirists world-wide could not come up with stuff like this
that Kurt delivers on a daily basis! ==NOW== you know what I mean when I
say the 'guffaws' are literally built-in to revisionist material! Whew!

Notice too how each Kurt 'alte Puppe®' Knoll recitation of the Heimat
yarns tend to 'vary' with each telling! Add a little here, take away
there, add more here, take away and further modify there. And so it
goes. Day in and day out for years now!

The thing of it is, Kurt is the one always talking about 'how can we
[??] ever believe your eye-witnesses' when it's 'Kurt' making with the
"eye witness" yarns a la mode! You know, the "Allied phosphorous bomb in
the attic" yarn when Kurt "did kick it out the attic window before it
did go off" ; the infamous "Roving Rabbi" [sic] yarn and his "reports"
against the Volk and exactly what happened to these Volk when the
"Roving Rabbi" submitted his reports; the "Russian Commissar" [sic] yarn
and the "head cheese" [sic] matter with the German farmers; the
Nuremberg "favorable testimony" [sic] of a "German General" [sic]
suddenly being "switched into a Jewish synagogue" [sic] ; 'Bruder'
Werner [later simply 'my older brother' once Kurt announced that he was
1/4 Jewish [** and thus, by default, causing 'Bruder' Werner to reside
in the same Knish, as it were] "being forced to run naked by the French
through the Normandie minefields" [sic] and those subsequent "4"
'variations' of the original yarn including the addition of "German
POWs" ; the guy Kurt knew who "saw the Polish attack on the Gleiwitz
Rundfunk" [sic] and on and on and on it goes. The 'Canadian' yarns
inclusive much less the porkie and whopper 'Heimat' yarns!

Doc Tony
Der Stadt Darmstadt
;-)

Example of one of Kurt's 'Canadian' yarns [** one of my personal
favorites!]

"I did have over 25 burglaries [!] at my business [** begs the question,
which one and per Kurt mind you -- the 'video porn' shop ? [** Ohh yes!
So says Kurt to boot!]-- the 'electronics' store? -- the 'photography'
shop? -- the 'woodworking' store? the 'TV and radio' shop ? ] but the
Canadian police Captain did refuse to investigate but when I did ask him
why he refuse to investigate he did tell me that Germany lost the war!"
[sic -- Kurt 'alte Puppe®' Knoll]

In all, I think Pat Keenan put it best when he asked Kurt, to wit:

"Kurt, how long did you say you lived next to that smelter factory?"
[sic -- Pat Keenan after patiently explaining to Kurt literally chapter
and verse what he [Keenan] was saying ==AND== offering specific URL
website citations where Kurt could see the evidence for himself
whereupon Kurt replies, "Why can we not see the evidence [!!] which the
Jewish Mafia and their breathrens won't let us see to protect their
holohoax!" [sic]. Just who this 'us' or 'we' Kurt usually goes on about
or imagines he 'represents' is, of course, anyone's guess. I dare say
that even the 'Bewegung' [** Movement®] takes some mighty steps 'to the
rear' when Kurt alleges that he speaks for the Kameraden but then, you
never know! I mean was it not Papagei® Ebe who stated that one of the
posters he reads frequently as to "making sense" [sic] and besides Ebe's
specific mention of Ben "Chameleon®" Cramer and Psycho® DEM is none
other than Kurt 'alte Puppe®' Knoll! Hey! Talk about a statement being
quite 'telling' ! Perhaps Ebe 'also' shares Kurt's, shall we say, unique
'analyzing' technique [read: "Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!®"] and
certain Kurt 'Yoga' movements relative to a specific part of the human
anatomy and the EAR, yes? If 'one' can do it and actually boast about
it, why not another of the Kameraden! Stranger things have happened in
AR!

;-)

Meanwhile in DSPM .. the usual scenario takes place once again!

Werner "Nix noyes unter die Sonne" [sic] Sondermann [bellowing!]: "DSPM
KAMERADEN! ICH BITTE UM UNBEDINGTE RUHE! UNSER 'BEWEGUNG' KAMERAD, KURT
KNOLL, HAT DAS WORT!"

Kurt 'alte Puppe®' Knoll: "Deutsche! Volksgenossen und genossinen!
Bewegung Kameraden! ICH FRAGE EUCH! SEID IHR ENTSCHLOSSEN, MIT DEM
FÜHRER..EHHH..HAHAHA...MIT, JA, ICH UND MEIN BRUDER WERNER KNO..
[interrupted!]

Frank "Ausländer RAUS!®" Bügel: "MISCHLINGE [!] KNOLLI! R A U S!"

Sondermann: "Ach' du lieber, Wessel! Wo ... WO ist mein Namensvetter,
[** name-sake], 'der Poolpisser' [sic -- Sondermann, 2006], Werner
Knoll! Wo ist er!" [sic]

/:=| "Es ist unwahr, das ich oder irgendjemand anderer in die Bewegung
"die Brüder Knoll" [!] im Jahre 2001-2008 gewollt haben!" [!]

;-)

> "I'll Always Be Here" <aussiessuck@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AEB9DC5CE78Theonlyonethatcares@87.106.137.111...
>
>>"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll3@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:2O5kk.148475$gc5.84049@pd7urf2no:
>>
>>
>>>Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp.
>>
>>
>>The Richard Bolschneider that was beaten and tortured by germans who hated
>>americans?
>>
>>Every
>>
>>>morning the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck.
>>
>>
>>What kind of truck? How many gears? Diesel, gas or wood?
>>
>>One day
>>
>>>the did pile all the death German death prisoners into a pile.
>>
>>What day was that? Where was this pile? How tall was this pile? What
>>happened to the bodies after they were piled?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>A film grew came and took movies.
>>
>>What kind of camera? Who made the film? What lens did they use?
>>
>>
>>He latter on seen the movie clip with the
>>
>>>death striped and nacked German POW in some holocaust movie.
>>
>>
>>What was the name of that movie? Where did he see it? When did he see it?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmcvay@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
>>>news:NdadnYmfrvKKdQ3VnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@vex.net...
>>>
>>>>In article <nd2kk.104134$kx.10544@pd7urf3no>,
>>>>The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>>>>the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>>>>his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>>>>Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and <kknoll3@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp. Every
>>>>>morning
>>>>
>>>>Where did he say it? Was he under oath? Did he provide documentation to
>>>>back up his assertions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck. One day the did
>>>>>pile all the death German death prisoners into a pile. A film grew came
>>>>>and took
>>>>>movies. He latter on seen the movie clip with the death striped and
>>>>>nacked German POW in some holocaust movie.
>>>>
>>>>Such bullshite, Frau Pikelhaube. You're knolling again.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, how does a film grew?
>>>>
>>>>91 Statements Demonstrating Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll's
>>>>strict adherence to the high intellectual standards of Holocaust
>>>>denial:
>>>>
>>>>(See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 85)
>>>>(Honest, Folks, I'm not making them up!)
>>>>
>>>>86. "You do have very primitive educating..."
>>>> <IP8bk.53552$Jx.17394@pd7urf1no>, July 3, 2008
>>>>
>>>>87. "SO we do live in an a Domicratie everyone should haue the
>>>> Fight for Hits opinions. It is only the Jew. that are Full of
>>>> deceit and victimize Anyone that critics their holocaust. Kurt
>>>> Knoll. How ist this for charcter asement you two faced parasite.
>>>> Cut or channgig somenoce reply is a jewish thing but certenly
>>>> not our way. Kurt Knoll" <vJ1gk.11534$nD.2983@pd7urf1no>, July
>>>> 18, 2008
>>>>
>>>>88. "Go and play with your noodle you brain will not be able to
>>>> handle you phisical strees." <fLphk.23437$nD.18511@pd7urf1no>,
>>>> July 22, 2008
>>>>
>>>>89. "Ther you go Fuckface i know i will have a lot of fun wwith you.
>>>> Have one of your German speaking fiend translate what i am saying
>>>> here" einsin einse geht nicht da haole ich mir eine heunter.
>>>> <F%uhk.23746$nD.16989@pd7urf1no>, July 22, 2008
>>>>
>>>>90. "Really does anyone who writes about the holocaust industries
>>>> approved expert be." <yIJjk.41854$nD.10368@pd7urf1no>, July
>>>> 29, 2008
>>>>
>>>>91. "McVay selves in his own exaggeration and the holocaust
>>>> industries is paying him for it." <1s0kk.44742$nD.37672@pd7urf1no>,
>>>> July 30, 2008
>>>>--
>>>>"We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
>>>>influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
>>>>(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>>>The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

== 2 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:38
Von: "I'll Always Be Here"

Subject: Re: Wicked knollish Filth lies about almost everything
From: "I'll Always Be Here" <aussiessuck@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,de.soc.politik.misc

"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll3@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:2O5kk.148475$gc5.84049@pd7urf2no:

> Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp.

The Richard Bolschneider that was beaten and tortured by germans who hated
americans?

> Every morning the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck.

What kind of truck? How many gears? Diesel, gas or wood?

One day
> the did pile all the death German death prisoners into a pile.

What day was that? Where was this pile? How tall was this pile? What
happened to the bodies after they were piled?

> A film grew came and took movies.

What kind of camera? Who made the film? What lens did they use?

He latter on seen the movie clip with the
> death striped and nacked German POW in some holocaust movie.

What was the name of that movie? Where did he see it? When did he see it?

> Kurt Knoll.
>
> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmcvay@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
> news:NdadnYmfrvKKdQ3VnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@vex.net...
>> In article <nd2kk.104134$kx.10544@pd7urf3no>,
>> The Poster Boy of Holocaust Revisionism, Kurt Knoll,
>> the reigning Village Idiot of Kitimat, polished
>> his Pikelhaube, fluffed his Coal Black SS Totenkopf
>> Tutu with Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter and <kknoll3@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Here is what Richard Bolschneider who was in IK'S death camp. Every
>>>morning
>>
>> Where did he say it? Was he under oath? Did he provide documentation to
>> back up his assertions?
>>
>>>the picked up the death German Prisoners of by Truck. One day the did
>>>pile all the death German death prisoners into a pile. A film grew came
>>>and took
>>>movies. He latter on seen the movie clip with the death striped and
>>>nacked German POW in some holocaust movie.
>>
>> Such bullshite, Frau Pikelhaube. You're knolling again.
>>
>> By the way, how does a film grew?
>>
>> 91 Statements Demonstrating Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll's
>> strict adherence to the high intellectual standards of Holocaust
>> denial:
>>
>> (See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/k/knoll-kurt/ for the first 85)
>> (Honest, Folks, I'm not making them up!)
>>
>> 86. "You do have very primitive educating..."
>> <IP8bk.53552$Jx.17394@pd7urf1no>, July 3, 2008
>>
>> 87. "SO we do live in an a Domicratie everyone should haue the
>> Fight for Hits opinions. It is only the Jew. that are Full of
>> deceit and victimize Anyone that critics their holocaust. Kurt
>> Knoll. How ist this for charcter asement you two faced parasite.
>> Cut or channgig somenoce reply is a jewish thing but certenly
>> not our way. Kurt Knoll" <vJ1gk.11534$nD.2983@pd7urf1no>, July
>> 18, 2008
>>
>> 88. "Go and play with your noodle you brain will not be able to
>> handle you phisical strees." <fLphk.23437$nD.18511@pd7urf1no>,
>> July 22, 2008
>>
>> 89. "Ther you go Fuckface i know i will have a lot of fun wwith you.
>> Have one of your German speaking fiend translate what i am saying
>> here" einsin einse geht nicht da haole ich mir eine heunter.
>> <F%uhk.23746$nD.16989@pd7urf1no>, July 22, 2008
>>
>> 90. "Really does anyone who writes about the holocaust industries
>> approved expert be." <yIJjk.41854$nD.10368@pd7urf1no>, July
>> 29, 2008
>>
>> 91. "McVay selves in his own exaggeration and the holocaust
>> industries is paying him for it." <1s0kk.44742$nD.37672@pd7urf1no>,
>> July 30, 2008
>> --
>> "We all know it but they will have us believe they have absolutely no
>> influence on governments. Not believing it would be anti emetic."
>> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>> The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/
>
>
>

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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:23
Von: Koos Nolst Trenite

The First Law Of Economics

1 December 2003
{HRI-20031201-V3.3.1}

(Issued 18 July 2008)

(Version 3.3.1
on 31 July 2008)

(view Summary
by skipping
indentation)

(suits foreign
language readers)

(education)
(law enforcement)

The First Law Of Economics, is:

People desire and enjoy to do a job of value they can be
proud of.

(Individual persons have the desire and enthusiasm or joy,
to undertake something that is of value now or in the
future, to their fellows of Mankind.)

I have elaborated that in

'Basic Economics - In Government and Enterprise, People
Are Not Objects.' *(1)

Also here, we can observe the whole scale *(2) from the top to the
very bottom - where that natural desire and joy, gets more and more
dominated,

more and more prevented, more and more oppressed and
destroyed,

by Criminal Minds and by means of the false ideas that
these create and force onto others and thus establish
as "culture" into the society,

to evolve into customs, rules and "laws"

that COUNTER the First Law of Economics,

rules and systems of "government" and "education" that oppose
your soul, and thus,

that counter your and other people's joy of being alive,

with demands and "education" that COUNTER the First Law
of Economics, which is

people's desire and joy to do a job of value they can and will
be proud of.

Criminal Minds - who, so some tell us, "do 'not' exist," nevertheless
these - will counter, and have countered the First Law of Economics,
with

"You can NOT do what you yourself want and desire and know to do, that
is of true value to others, and that you thus will be proud of,"

but "you must do, what 'the society' demands of you," meaning,
which you will find, should you examine it: "You must do, what
Criminal Minds demand of you."
'

Criminal Minds want you and everyone to see THEM as
"normal" - and YOU as "not normal" if you expose them:
*(5)(6)(7)

It is "normal," NOT to mention, that Vladimir Putin
is a sociopath, a Criminal Mind, a destructive
personality.

And "it is 'NOT normal,' if you DO mention
this very vital truth."

It is "normal," NOT to mention, that his Russian
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergei Lavrov, is a
sociopath, a Criminal Mind, a destructive
personality.

And "it is 'NOT normal,' to mention this very
vital truth."

The same applies, regarding the Russian ambassador,
that these sociopaths, Putin and Lavrov, want to
have appointed to the United States of America, now,
who is equally a person who very obviously is a
sociopath.

The same applies to the Russian state weapons
export firm, Rosoboronexport.

But "it is 'NOT normal,' to mention these very
vital facts."

Of course, I can refuse an ambassador's
credentials,

on the grounds that he, Sergei Kislyak,
is a sociopath, sent by his Russian
superiors, the sociopath Lavrov and the
sociopath Putin,

and when I do not CURRENTLY have
the possibility

- through lack of a competent
United Nations Council which is
applying the First International
Law -

to remove Putin, or his Minister
of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov; that
is, not in that way, remove them,
but nevertheless

I can refuse the credentials of
the person these sent to America
as an "ambassador" for Russia.

Doing so, however, would require me to
be sane, and courageous, and actually
educated in politics by means of the
Human Rights Issues.

Criminal Minds want, that you and everyone else 'sees'
(senses, feels, thinks of) THEM as "normal" - and,

that you yourself and everyone else must see or
feel YOU as "being not normal" if you oppose,
that Criminal Minds are seen as "good" and
"normal:" *(5)(6)(7)

You should be made to NOT recognize, or not even
know the existence of the condition of the soul of
at least one percent of the living population,

to have no other desire and design, than
'to see the world burn.'

You should deny or disbelieve those facts, even
be made to deny that people ARE souls.

You must be regarded as "someone who, through education
or other means of coercion, has to be MADE normal,"

or else, by plain force of denial of your social and
material (monetary) connections that you need in
order to live,

"you have to be convinced," that "people only care for
themselves, so you better let yourself be dominated,
because THAT 'is caring for yourself':"

That's silly, isn't it - but you have accepted
it as perfectly "normal" - "you must agree to
let yourself be dominated," to "do as you are
told" and "then you will be favored,"

"THEN you will be given what you need" and
"THAT is - of course - 'caring for yourself',"

"like everybody else does also 'care for
himself' too."

It is the way of any dictatorship,
(or "People's Socialist, or Islamic
Republic," as they want to be addressed
by 'the people' who are caught inside
such a regime) in a country that is - by
definition - "governed" by Criminal
Minds.

Then, not only is it "normal," for sociopaths,
including those mentioned who are head of
state, to freely spout their lies,

but it is ALSO "normal," for DECENT people,
in particular those DECENT people who are
head of state, TO REFUSE TO MENTION, that
another individual who is head of state, has
an entirely destructive, sociopathic character
and has intentions ONLY, to destroy the life
of others.

Instead, they receive Russia's Putin
- a known sociopath - and they receive
China's Hu Jintao - now also known to
you, very obviously I would think, as
a sociopath, "as if these are 'normal'
people."

That's "normal" ...to receive those
who have the nature and intention to
destroy people on a very large scale,
to receive those

"as if these individuals are 'normal',"
while any decent person would UNDER NO
CIRCUMSTANCES let them inside his own
home.

You have to be MADE to think, and act "as if Criminal
Minds are normal people,"

and, if you don't think so, then "you - of course - should
agree, that 'YOU are considered crazy'," or at least, that
"YOU are not well adjusted," "YOU are not fitting in the
society, because 'YOU are badly adjusted'."

(I never told you this, and this must remain
a secret bewteen us, but:)

Criminal Minds have everything in reverse:

"SANE" is defined and ENFORCED BY THEM, as "being in
agreement with not seeing Criminal Minds,"
*(8)(9)(10)(11)

"INSANE, CRAZY," is "when you are NOT in agreement
with 'being blind' and 'not seeing Criminal Minds',"
and

"SANE" - meaning, 'being in agreement with NOT SEEING
Criminal Minds' - "is 'being reliable,' or is
'maintaining stability',"

as the Criminal Minds call it, if it suits
them, in politics, or in an organization,

"INSANE" - meaning, for you or anyone to mention,
that a sociopath solely wishes to destroy life,
because of the very nature of his or her character,
and thus has no place at all in any government
position whatsoever, let alone to be president
or premier of Russia or of China, or a minister of
foreign affaris of either, meaning the sociopath
Lavrov, or the sociopathe Yang Jiechi - to mention
that, "is being destructive," "is 'disruptive of
good relations and trade'," really...

and so nobody mentions it.

One wonders, about such "polite, or
diplomatic" people,

who claim so VERY LOUDLY, that
THEY are "maintaining 'good trade
relations' and 'mutual trust and
cooperation',"

what "definition" these use, for such
activities as Security and Defense...

Very "Secure" ...to NOT mention the nature and intentions
of sociopaths, "in order to mainatain good relations"
and "stability,"

to NOT mention them by name, and to NOT demand that
they standing down and are deposed

(including, of course, the OPEN AND PUBLIC
AND GOVERNMENTAL demand, that Venezuela's
Chavez stands down for his being a sociopath
by the very nature of his soul and intentions
and hidden and not hidden activities.)

All are complying with the Criminal Minds, who tell you - the
most unhindered Criminals first, like from China or Myanmar or
North Korea in particular, they tell you - that

"it is 'indecent' or 'impolite' or 'hateful'," yes, even
"destructive, or insane," to mention their condition,
let alone to demand they stop being Evil.

Thus anyone who DOES see Criminal Minds,

and including law enforcement people who DO
see Criminal Minds, "must be dominated NOT to
see (perceive, sense, investigate to detect)
Criminal Minds, or else must lose their job."

This is "law" in countries such as China, but nobody of
all the very institutions that, telling from their
resounding names, are supposed to tell you this, do so
tell you, so I have once again to do their job.

Nowadays, they indeed made it so - in universities, in education, in
science, in medicine, in journalism, in politics, in religion, in
most history text books even, and indeed in economics - that

"Criminal Minds DO NOT EXIST."

That's THEIR, the Criminal Mind's "definition" of
"normal:"

"You accept Criminal Minds above you, and you
stop recognizing them."

The Criminal Mind's "definition" of "abnormal"
- you also know and practice obediently, as well
by avoiding to be "abnormal" - "abnormal" is:

NOT agreeing, that Criminal Minds are "above
you;"

revolting against being dominated by a
Criminal Mind, is "showing you are abnormal;"

your feeling revulsion of a Criminal Mind,
is, as defined above, "not normal," but
"YOUR 'disease' or 'abnormality',"

and medical "science" will provide you
with drugs in order NOT to feel, that
someone is a Criminal Mind, and not to
feel what he or she radiates at you and
at - and into the body and soul of -
anyone.

So your or other's joy of being alive, is destroyed by
them, and they leave you then to lead a life or the end
of your life

with an endless number of diseases "for which the
cause is not known," and "that have no real cure."

Which is NOT the purpose of life, but WHICH IS
the purpose of Criminal Minds, that "DO NOT
EXIST."

The self-help gurus, and other Holinesses,
are telling you, in their lectures and books,
and in TV shows, "how to adapt or adjust," how
to "live in the present" or "in harmony" with
Evil:

They are coming up with ever-new
methods of "how you must adapt to the
lies of Criminal Minds,"

WITHOUT THAT THEY EVER MENTION THE
CRIMINAL MINDS THEMSELVES ...isn't it.

You don't know this, unless you read the Human Rights Issues,

but actually, because you experience this every day and night,
you know it very well, and you do see in front of you

all that opposes the First Law of Economics, all who
demand of people "they are not allowed to and can not
desire and enjoy to do a job of value they can be proud
of," so you do actually know it very well, but,

that is, you have not seen it formulated and voiced in a way to
understand (and thus to handle) what is actually going on,

as opposed to the endless diversion into 'treating
symptoms,' symptoms, and symptoms only,

which is what Criminal Minds have largely diverted
and perverted and degenerated the society into,

just look at all the charity and help and
medical programs, and political pressure,

INSTEAD OF SEEING, of understanding, and thus handling the
CAUSE of what is going on.

And that needs a very correct formulation and
communication of it, as in the Definition of Peace, for
example, and very applicable,

which is what the Human Rights Issues are all about, and what
I am doing with these:

To bare your soul right in front of you,

with my poems,

with my song 'reviving you softly,' strumming
the cords of your soul,

not now with heavenly music, but with words.

To formulate and voice what is right in front of you,

to make it visible and grasped, capable of being grasped
and so understood, that you can actually handle it,

which I did with all the things I defined for you,

and that are defined for the first time
correctly, defined by me

straight from your own soul, which I look at, and published in
the Human Rights Issues.

The First Law Of Economics, is:

People desire and enjoy to do a job of value they can be
proud of.

(Individual persons have the desire and enthusiasm or joy,
to undertake something that is of value now or in the
future, to their fellows of Mankind.)

You see then, that Criminal Minds have OPPOSED the simple and
natural law, that comes straight from your soul

- all that you read in the Human Rights Issues (see also
the upcoming issue of HRI 20080726) does in actual fact
come straight from your soul - which is

OPPOSED by Criminal Minds,

such as by your economics "guru" Adam Smith, *(3) a Criminal
Mind from Scotland,

who wrote around the year 1775, and repeatedly
thereafter - for which certain people paid him a lot
of money - to write the lie, that:

"People can not feel others" - which lie, that describes
the condition of himself, of the Criminal Mind, that lie,
he thought, would not get very wide acceptance, and
therefore he added,

"so there must be some mysterious idea of charity inside
people,"

and the next lie, which you are fiercely taught in
schools and in the society, BY CRIMINAL MINDS and by
their associates, from "economist" guru Adam Smith, is,
that:

"Everyone thinks only of himself, and works only for his
own interests" - which is a very vicious and extremely
insulting lie

(that gave fertile ground to communism, and to other
dictatorships, later on, and now in China),

a lie from Adam Smith, that also would not get full or
easy acceptance, so he, the "economist" Adam Smith added,
that

"this automatically balances out into a free exchange
between people, as if there is an 'invisible hand'."

Interestingly, a would-be "philosopher" who wants
to "explain" and "sell" his own Criminal Mind as
"normal," as "how people are,"

like the Criminal Minds Freud, Einstein, and
the like, did: They enforce THEIR OWN Criminal
Mind, as if "THAT is, what people are and what
The Creation is," and here

Adam Smith, a would-be "philosopher" for the reason
mentioned, 'to explain and sell his own Criminal
Mind as "normal,"

like the Criminal Mind Socrates did, by
"explaining," that 'Law is (rules are) senior
to people, even when that Law (that rule) does
not apply and is unjust to the given case,'

which the faithful and long time
reader knows, a Criminal Mind

"telling people what economics is," "explaining it,"
so as to make himself and other Criminal Minds
"seem normal," seem like "all people" are, and

Adam Smith maintained a friendship with the
Criminal Mind Benjamin Franklin, (*4) when this
individual (Franklin) resided for some time in
London,

and the Criminal Mind Bill Gates presents his
"friend" Warren Buffett with a copy of the infamous
book by "economist" Adam Smith, 'The Wealth of
Nations'

- the struggle of Adam Smith for having Criminal
Minds accepted as the "economic motors of
the society,"

including, of course, the Criminal Minds Bill
Gates and Warren Buffett.

('It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a
dollar. It's addictive. And there's fantastic
"brand loyalty".' - quoting Warren Buffett, on
why he likes the cigarette business - 1987)

The First Law Of Economics, is:

People desire and enjoy to do a job of value they can be
proud of.

I repeat, that also here, we have the whole scale *(1) from the
top to the very bottom,

where that natural desire and joy gets more and more dominated
by Criminal Minds,

it gets prevented, perverted and eventually destroyed, by
Criminal Minds

"to create stability" as they like you to be blinded
- excuse me - as they like you to see it ...like
blind kittens do see, purring when they get milk,

your "very indestructible" soul is not "evolving" at
all, but is being destroyed,

by means of the false ideas, that these create and force onto
others, and thus into the society,

to become customs, rules and "laws" that COUNTER the
First Law of Economics,

that oppose your soul, and thus,

that counter your and other people's joy of being
alive, including the pristine joy and enthusiasm
of your very own children for life and FOR THEIR
CONTRIBUTING ALSO TO YOU, TO LIFE,

as the First Law of Economics describes.

So it is good to keep knowing the First Law of Economics, as it
resides in your soul - or in your heart, as some say.

Koos Nolst Trenite 'Cause Trinity'
human rights philosopher and poet

'Men of all nations came
to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
sent by all the kings of the world,
who had heard of his wisdom.'

1 Kings 4:34

________
Footnote:

(1) 'Basic Economics - In Government and Enterprise, People Are
Not Objects'
{HRI note 20060201 version 3)
(1 February 2006 - note version 3, on 2 Feb 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/5f1b235f38a95b4a

(2) 'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor' (DOI)
{HRI 20030205-V2.4}
(5 Feb 2003 - Version 2.4 on 1 July 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/020f0c2e172dab3d

(3) 'Famous European Life Energy Vampires - Unsuspected Of Destroying
Your Emotional Integrity'
{HRI 20040729-V1.1}
(29 July 2004 - Version 1.1 on 27 Aug 2004)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/01ae9af4767aa656

(4) 'Famous American Life Energy Vampires - Unsuspected Of Destroying
Your Emotional Integrity'
{HRI 20031110-V3.7}
(10 November 2003 - Version 3.7 on 9 Jan 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/ad64acd8f4990726

(5) 'The Anti-Normal'
{HRI 20071208-V1.0}
(8 December 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/5fd88daf7597a89a

(6) ' "Insane" "Defined" By Criminal Minds As 'Ability To Perceive
Them' '
{HRI 20040422-V2.7.1}
(22 April 2004 - Version 2.7 on 22 July 2006 -> V 2.7.1)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/msg/54232e64adb8ca83

(7) ' "Insane" "Defined" By Criminal Minds - Part Twenty:(Conclusion)
"Others destroying people, is 'none of your business' " '
{HRI 20040422-V2.7.1-pi20-V1.0.1}
(28 February 2008 - Version 1.0.1 on 28 Feb 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9c07433a14f01422

(8) 'George 'Washington' Bush's JOY of being a "friend" to Hu Jintao,
to the most dangerous Criminal Mind in office on Earth today'
{HRI note 20080328-V2.1}
(28 March 2008 - Version 2.1 on 31 Mar 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/us.military.army/msg/5c8c72df0e2bda34

(9) 'Refusing to Respect, that China's sociopath Hu Jintao is Evil
only, fully Evil, and nothing but Evil to China'
{HRI note 20080707-V3.6}
(7 July 2008 - Version 3.6 on 17 July 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/msg/e051fcd539cdcf9b

(10) 'United Nations Organization MUST protect itself
- What is Democracy'
{HRI 20080314-V1.1}
(14 March 2008 - Version 1.1 on 14 Mar 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/53818a18c7b466a3
http://groups.google.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/fe64ca9f4587ecb9

(11) 'Future Peace on Earth Blocked by the Sociopaths,
Putin and Hu Jintao' - (Quote One)
{HRI 20070207-V3.7-q1} (quote of 13 Mar 2008)
(7 February 2007 - Version 3.7 on 21 Feb 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/can.politics/msg/10d21d748b375f35
'

__________
References:

'The First Law of Human Rights' (FLOHR)
{HRI 20060601-V3.1.2}
(1 June 2006 - Version 3.1.2 on 31 Dec 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/7965a2cb5b6384f4

'Obviously the Second Law Of Human Rights' (SLOHR)
{HRI 20060924-V3.2.1}
(24 September 2006 - Version 3.2.1 on 6 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/f086d45d0aeefd59

(more to add)
'

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THEMA: David Irving: Persecuted by the yids for decades
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:31
Von: Sara Salzman

In article <dcmdnbVFDocoEQ3VnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@vex.net>,
kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:

> In article <holman-3007081122040001@ke-hupnet183-26.hupnet.helsinki.fi>,
> Eugene Holman <holman@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >I am actually Holman posting as Holman, thank you very much.
>
> Give it up, McFee, you're busted! Admit it - you fly to Finland every
> afternoon just to be Holman.

Now you're in trouble, McVay. You've given away the secret. Access to
the ZOG yacht will be taken away -- right about this year's Rosh
Hashanah Cruise to Nowhere.

--
"I don't know" can be a very bad answer when it is disingenuous.
You can't answer "I don't know if that happened" about the Holocaust.

- Penn Jillette, 7/3/08

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THEMA: Old Book Lies About Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans
at the End of World War Two
http://groups.google.com/group/de.soc.politik.misc/browse_thread/thread/69975f73232c1420?hl=de
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 20:35
Von: "I'll Always Be Here"

pekingcat@hushmail.com wrote in news:ff4b5556-96b5-48e9-ba7a-b5b02fdd2204
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 28, 1:36 pm, "Kurt Knoll" <kkno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hey Kenneth in a war or call it conflict there are always two sides and
I
>> certainly like to hear from both of them. Being exposed to your
censorshi
> p
>> and fabrications does not make it very easy to establish all the facts.
W
> hat
>> is it you do not want us to know ??.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>
> This idiot hater is a warrior from his arm chair who reads shit and
> believes everything he reads except for stuff that doesn't fit his
> dogma and has been 'discredited' by our wonderful overlords the
> 'Government'.

That's a pretty close to accurate assessment of kurt.

> His faith in his masters is dog like.

Yes, zundel, irving, leuchter or duke say jump and he says "how high
master?"

He is the worst
> thing on this news group.

But kurt does have his entertainment value...just like you

Spouting PC crap all day long.
> 'Oh. I think Germans need to be burned alive.' and so on and so on.

No, kurt only thinks jews should be burnt alive.

> He, the moral clown thinks Germans need to be burned alive?

No, it's jews that he wants burned.

> Who the fuck is he to make that decision?

Kurt is the village idiot of kitmat.

Who gave him the crown of diamonds
> so that he can proclaim that burning people is OK?

Hitler

The man is a
> hateful full of spite asshole.

Oh, you were talking about cramer.

> And the BC state gives him a medal?

Nah, kurt wouldn't know what it's for.

> What does that tell you about government?

That they need to review their immigration policy and perhaps start
deporting those immigrants who lied to get into canada.

>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in messagenews:_
7udnfGM8
> ItnYRDVnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@vex.net...
>>
>> > In article
>> > <a22c3f4c-8e02-4fd8-9274-2304eae6f...@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>Our govt has been telling us for 60 years about how much we helped
the
>> >>german people after the war!! I read a book last year about Hamburg,
>> >>the city that was obliterated by the allies and their terror bombing.
>> >>It said that the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
>> >>tried to run the city and caused mass famine.
>>
>> > Please spare us the crocodile tears for the poor Germans who were
bombe
> d
>> > as a direct result of their having started a war of aggression.
>>
>> > Focus instead on places like Guernica, Rotterdam and Warsaw.
>>
>> > Who said "the people suffered most AFTER the war when the allies
tried
> to
>> > run the city and caused mass famine," and how does that statement
relat
> e
>> > to the NAZI plunder of food throughout war-torn Europe?
>>
>> > Consider, for instance, a single secret document from Rosenberg (the
>> > State-sponsored rapist of Europe) to Martin Bormann, dated 17th
October
> ,
>> > 1944. It furnishes a graphic account of Rosenberg's activities in the
>> > economic exploitation of the Occupied East. I wish to quote from the
fi
> rst
>> > paragraph on Page 1, which has not been read into the record. It
reads:
>>
>> > "In order not to delay the liquidation of companies under my
supervisio
> n,
>> > I beg to point out that the companies concerned are not private firms
b
> ut
>> > business enterprises of the Reich, so that actions with regard to
them,
>> > just as with regard to Government Offices, are reserved to the
highest
>> > authorities of the Reich. I supervise the following companies."
>> > There follows a list of nine companies - a trading company, an
>> > agricultural development company, a supply company, a pharmaceutical
>> > company and five banking concerns. On Page 3 of the translation at
item
> I
>> > (a), the mission of the trading company is stated to be, and I quote:
>> > "Collection of all agricultural products as well as commercial
marketin
> g,
>> > and transportation thereof. (Delivery to Armed Forces and the
Reich)."
>>
>> > I now call your attention to item 5 of the same page. It describes
the
>> > activities of the companies as follows:
>> > "During this period, the Z.O., that is, the Central Trading
Corporation
> ,
>> > together with its subsidiaries has collected:
>>
>> > Grain..................................9,200,000 tons
>> > Meat and meat products..................622,000
>> > Linseed.................................950,000
>> > Butter..................................208,000
>> > Sugar...................................400,000
>> > Fodder............................... 2,500,000
>> > Potatoes ............................ 3,200,000
>> > Seeds ................................. 141,000
>> > Other agricultural products ......... 1,200,000
>> > and ............................. 1,073,000,000 eggs
>>
>> > The following was required for transportation:
>>
>> > 1,418,000 freight cars and 472,000 tons shipping space."
>>
>> >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-04/tgmwc-04-31-01.shtml
>>
>> > What impact do YOU think such widespread, massive thievery of
foodstuff
> s
>> > would have on post-war Europe?
>>
>> > --
>> > IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
>> > and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
>> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/
>> > The Nizkor Project:http://www.nizkor.org
>>
>>
>
>

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THEMA: Kriecherische Deutsche und die USA
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== 1 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 21:16
Von: Roman Burter

MukiPuki :-Þ schrieb:

[...]

> Und der rechtsgestrickte

Ja er rafft es ja langsam.....

> Bräunling Roman

Nee dann doch nicht. Argh...immer wieder diese rückfälle...

> freut sich mangels eigener
> Begabung, dass ihm sein brauner Kumpel Sieg(heil?)frid eine Vorlage bietet.

Da siehst du was flasch, ich will dir dein "gewissen"
nicht vorenthalten. Bin ich nicht nett zu dir?

> Ach wie süß!

Na will ich doch meinen!

Roman

== 2 von 2 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 21:17
Von: Roman Burter

Siegfrid Breuer schrieb:

> die-funktioniert@gmx.de (das Schätzchen* Herr Ohlemacher) trällerte
> (...denn wenn dieses Deppen trällern... [Ohlemachers Rechtfertigung
> in <1t0595x69j7tp$.1w22ip64t2uxm.dlg@40tude.net>]):
>
>> ...glaubt immer das, was ihm opportun erscheint.
>
> Ooohhh, Otti! Was projizierst Du wieder!!!
>
>> Sieg(heil?)fried
>> Sieg(heil?)fried
>> Sieg(heil?)fried
>
> Sooo böse ist das Otti?
> Und soooooo hilflos?
>
>> Und der rechtsgestrickte Bräunling Roman freut sich mangels eigener
>> Begabung, dass ihm sein brauner Kumpel Sieg(heil?)frid eine Vorlage
>> bietet.
>
> Na, wenn ich jetzt vergleiche, wie oft _Du_ hier was zitierst, was Du
> woanders gelesen hast (denn nix anderes hat er ja wohl gemacht), dann
> darf ich über Deine 'Begabung' aber lieber garnicht nachdenken, Otti!
>
>> Ach wie süß!
>
> Der Überzug Deiner Diazepam-Pillen? Oder was? Du sollst die aber nicht
> einzeln lutschen! Hast Du keinen großen Eßlöffel?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Rapport 0132 von Killfile-Häftling #00001 (Resthaftzeit 120 Tage)
> [<12r9o6caz75vb.1vitfq25ncvyn$.dlg@40tude.net>]
>

Fullquote wg. Killfile

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THEMA: Das Atommüllproblem
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 21:31
Von: Carla Schneider

Ingo Gideon Becker wrote:
>
> Am Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:35:53 +0200 schrieb Jon J Panury:
>
> > Selbst wenn es ein sicheres Atommüll-Handling gäbe (ich bin da eher
> > zuversichtlich, dass dergleichen in bälde gefunden wird), würde eine
> > andere Bedenken- und Ablehnungsstrategie ersonnen, die mindestens
> > ebenso unabweisbar wäre wie bis dahin "Das Endlagerproblem".
>
> Warum und von wem sollte diese Strategie ersonnen werden?

Von den Kernkraftgegnern, und der Sinn ist es jede Kernkraftnutzung
einzustellen. Der Grund ist natuerlich nicht der Atommuell, das soll
nur Mittel zum Zweck sein. Der Atomausstiegsbeschluss ist nicht wegen des
des Atommuells gefallen und auch nicht wegen der Gefaehrlichkeit
der Reaktoren.
Worum es wirklich geht und immer ging sieht man hier:
http://politik.pege.org/2004-kernfusion/atomstaat-total.htm

Da wird auch die Kernfusion abgelehnt:

------------
Kernfusion - Einstieg in den totalen Atomstaat
Wenn der este Kernfusionsreaktor in einer Zeit explodierender
Ölpreise und Energieverknappung in Betrieb geht, dann wird es
nicht möglich sein das Plutonium brüten zu stopen.

Progonse 2050

Egal wieviel Beteuerunge es nach Veröffentlichung dieser Seiten
geben sollte, daß es niemals nicht geplant sei Kernfusionsreaktoren
für das Erbrüten von Plutonium-239 zu verwenden, dies sind die
Versprechungen von heute, wo der Ölpreis gerade mal bei $50 herum
ist und es keine Probleme mit dem Uranvorkommen gibt.

Doch wie sieht es in 46 Jahren aus? Bei einem Ölpreis der vielleicht
bei $250 liegt? Welche Werbekampagnen werden dann laufen? 20
Fusionsreaktoren stellen aus sonst wertlosen Uran-238 den
Plutonium-239 Brennstoff für 200 Kernkraftwerke in Deutschland her.
Billige Energie für das Wirtschaftswachstum. Endlich nach so langer
Zeit wieder billige Energie!

Kernfusion und Kernspaltung untrennbar verbunden

Die Deuterium Tritium Kernfusion ist Aufgrund der dabei entstehenden
schnellen Neutronen und der damit verknüpften Möglichkeit Uran-238
zu Plutonium-239 zu brüten untrennbar mit der Kernspaltung verbunden.

Bei den Kernwaffen ist dieser Vorgang längst vollzogen. Alle
modernen Atomwaffen sind Hybridsysteme wo Kernspaltung und
Kernfusion miteinander kombiniert werden. Keine Atombombe ohne
Tritium zur Steigerung des Wirkungsgrades. Uran 238 in der Hülle
von Wasserstoffbomben zur Steigerung der Explosionsleistung.
------------

Es geht also um die Bombe. Die Atommaechte sehen immer die Gefahr dass
sich Laender die die Kernkraft zivil nutzen die Bombe verschaffen
koennten. Der Rohstoff dazu laesst sich in Kernkraftwerken
und mit Wiederaufarbeitungsanlagen herstellen. Wirkliche Sicherheit besteht
nur wenn alle anderen Laender soetwas nicht besitzen.

--
http://www.geocities.com/carla_sch/index.html

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THEMA: CSU zittert um das X
http://groups.google.com/group/de.soc.politik.misc/browse_thread/thread/84537e65348a0be9?hl=de
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 21:34
Von: Roman Burter

Verweis:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/csu/umfrage-csu-zittert-um-das-x_aid_321271.html

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THEMA: Why Did Germans Hate the http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-
william
http://groups.google.com/group/de.soc.politik.misc/browse_thread/thread/5aac237066c28764?hl=de
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:01
Von: Grosvenor FAQ

On Jul 30, 5:02 pm, Emil Tirades <emiltheid...@marathonsrun.org>
wrote:
> Why did and why still do thinking Germans hate the verfluechte
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william ?

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THEMA: Kern der Wahrheit
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:04
Von: "albertus magnus II"

Verweis:

"LICHT DER WAHRHEIT"

ist intellent

Von dir Nazidrecksau "Kommunist" genannt zu werden ist eine Ehre.

Ich danke dir

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THEMA: Keine Kandidatur der NPD für das Bürgermeisteramt in Lübtheen
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:05
Von: LICHT DER WAHRHEIT

Der hirnlose Kommunist Lars Braesicke übergab sich und kotzte aus:

> ScheißeAufWade alias LICHT DER WAHRHEIT schrieb:
>
>>> Neben dem Nazidreck leben da auch ganz nette Menschen, Funzelchen.
>>>
>> Also nichts für dich, Schwuchtel Lara.
>
> Och, ich bin ein ganz Netter.
> Natürlich nicht nett zu Nazidreck, schon klar, gell?
>
Wie es sich für schwulen Kommunistendreck halt gehört.

--
Von Gesocks wie dir "Nazi" genannt zu werden, ist eine Ehre.
Ich danke dir.

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THEMA: Nazi Germany exterminated Roma and Sinti
http://groups.google.com/group/de.soc.politik.misc/browse_thread/thread/4c82fd3910ed4fbc?hl=de
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== 1 von 1 ==
Datum: Mi 30 Jul. 2008 22:21
Von: "Kurt Knoll"

Re Gypsys. They are no differend than we are. There aregood an bad once in
every race.
Kurt Knoll.

"Eli Grubman" <eli.grubman@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:b5h294lokgvmlikoa9rq5op3sindtlkt55@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:57:15 GMT, flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
>>
>>On 30-Jul-2008, holman@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <kq9kk.24291$IK1.15853@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Truth
>>> Will
>>> Out" <Truthwillout@all_times.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Michael" <m_ragland01@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:2fd54c34-f3ef-4436-8d40-f20a72e408bd@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> <deletions>
>>> >
>>> > >The Nazi's exterminated Roma and Sinti.
>>> >
>>> > How did he manage that? They still exist.
>>>
>>> Do tell. My parents once had the termites in their front yard
>>> exterminated. Needless to say, termites still exist.
>>>
>>> Most genocides in history have been partial. The Herero, Namaqua,
>>> Tasmanians, Armenians, Jews, Roma, Sinti, Hutus, and Bosnian Muslims,
>>> among others, have all been the objects of partially successful
>>> genocides.
>>
>>Proportionally speaking, they probably killed as many Roma as Jews.
>>It's harder to get population figures on Roma, of course.
>>
>>Susan
>
> "Roma"? They're gypsy scum, you thick Irish cunt.
>
> Eli
>

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